Quote:Indeed the truth does NOT change. Religions, on the other hand, come and go and your god is well-known for continually changing
Religions not God. The God of the Christian Bible has not changed at all. He punished Cain for murder , He punished the pre-flood world for their sin and He will punish unbelievers for their sins at the judgement.
The form may change but that doesn't mean God has.
Quote:Well, sorry but if you're involving the existence of the human race than it is no longer some one sided divine issue and what your god is doing is unjust
By whose standard are you using that God is unjust? Your own or a Mormon's? How can you declare God is unjust when your idea of justice is tainted and not superior to any other person's definition of the word? Then, if you think your version is superior to all othe rhuman's how do you justify that stance and what makes it superior? Of course, you would have to fight all those other people who think their definition of justice is superior to yours.
Quote:Furthermore, your god is guilty of crimes against humanity and deserves to be hung by the neck like any genocidal dictator deserves.
Really? Again, whose idea of 'crime' are you using? Is not God allowed to punish those who disobey? If not, then no parent is allowed to punish their children for their disobedience.
Quote:Stupid analogy
Not at all. It gets to the heart of the issue that your standard of justice changes depending upon the crime and who is involved. That is not justice or being just, that is playing favorites and being unfair.
Quote:The punishment must fit the crime
And whose idea of 'fitting the crime' shall we use? Yours? I think not. The Mormons'? The Roman Catholics'? Or the unbelievers'?
Quote:Your god supposedly created all humans with a sinful nature
Read the Bible again. You will see that that is not true.
Quote:than he refuses to reveal himself to those who "don't seek him" than he damn these finite mortal beings to an eternity of torture upon their deaths
Your words as you dismiss or ignore the fact that God has revealed Himself you just donot like HOW He did it. You want to control God instead of being His servant so your attitude problem is getting in the way.
Quote:It is not just
That is simply your opinion. You do not have anysuperior standard to use to replace it so you are angry that God has a superior way and do not like it because you cannot live your life the way you want it and still get eternal salvation.
Quote:You can try and dance around the definition of justice all you want. It is not just and giving your god the divine leeway to do whatever he wants is not going sell here.
So you speak for everyone else on this board? That is a little arrogant isn't it? Not dancing around anything, God's sense of justice outranks yours and all men's idea of what justice is.
Quote:god doesn't have a definition of justice, he simply does whatever he wants and you say that it must be just ... simply because he did it. No thanks ... I most certainly do NOT have to use your god's definition of justice.
If that were so then God could not tell humans how to behave. It would make Him a hypocrite and a sinner. God follows His own rules as exampled by the creation week. He worked 6 days and rested on the 7th. You will note that He told His followers to work 6 days and rest on the 7th. God is consistant with his own word.
Another example, Jesus was raised from the dead on the 1st day not the 7th because God is consistant with His word. God did not change the sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day with that act but showed humans He follows His own rules.
Quote:Awesome, you contradict yourself yet again. Stating that god won't reveal himself to me because I haven't sought him out and yet now you're saying he already has revealed himself.
No I didn't you just tookout context the words you wanted in order to apply your false accusation. God has revealed himself but if you do not believe it then you will not see that revelation.
Quote:I have the Bible and the universe and the world around me??? What does that even mean??
Exactly what it says. You have God revealing Himself but you choose to deny that revelation. You want God to meet your demands but God doesn't have to do that He has made the rules and your are to follow them.
Quote:The muslims have the same thing and they outnumber you. The Hindus the Buddhists ... they all have the same thing.
The majority doesn't rule in God's kingdom--God does. They do not have the same thing, if they did their lives would be conducted in a very different manner.
Quote:If you were born in Pakistan you'd be preaching to me about Allah right now and threatening to kill me if I mocked him
Only if I chose to follow Islam. You ignore free choice in al of this. You should note that muslims are not limited to the middle east and people convert to that false religion in the west even after growing up ina supposed christian influenced society.
Your argument holds no water because it implies an absolute when no absolute exists.
Quote:That's so very very untrue and you sir are a liar.
False accusation and it will be ignored and not addressed save for this--you can't see what everyone else sees and your attitude and demands reflect exactly what I said.
Quote:Your false god does NOT have to humble himself before me nor does he need to meet my demands - as I have NONE.
You accuse me of exactly what you are doing. You do have a demand--you want God to reveal Himself in a manner that YOU want. That is a demand.
Quote:In fact, all he need do is show himself to the entire world and I have little doubt that most of us would jump on board.
Here is evidence of your lying. You just said you have no demand yet inthe very next sentence you make a demand. itis not I who lies. God has shown himself to the whole world, it is found in the Bible, in the universe, in the created creatures and humans etc. You just do not want to accept His requirements--you have to use faith.
Quote:You talk about following HIS rules. I think not. They're simply the ridiculous rules of uneducated bronze age goat herders, half of which are not even applicable to even christians any longer
There you have it. You refuse to do things God's way because you want to control God. You want Him to do things your way thatis controlling Him. YOurseem to not know anything about the writers of the Bible. Only one or two were goatherders. Moses did it for a bit but then became the friend of GOd. David did it but then went on to be King. Solomon was a king, the apostles were fishermen, tax collector, Paul was educated in the Rabbinical system, Luke was a doctor.
They were not all goatherders nor did they all live in the bronze age.
They are all applicable to Christians except some in the old testament but that is a lesson on grace which doesn't belong here.
Quote:Lets pretend for a moment that your god does exist and that "his rules" really are enforced. Than he is the most arrogant, self-absorbed unjust piece of shit that ever existed.
And you wonder why God doesn't reveal himself to you. Sorry but your arguments are undermined by your attitude and unbelief. God has made Himself obvious to His creation but since you do not believe then you will not see that revelation.
