(May 4, 2012 at 4:51 pm)DeeTee Wrote: Avoidance. You can't do it can you? You need to take the easy way out and rely on conjecture and faith that evolution is true and actually exists.
Your process is as invisible as you all claim God is, where is your evidence that it actually exists? Why would you trade one 'invisible' being for another?
Replace Evolution with Gravity. The sentence reads the same, yet you are not arguing against the theory of gravity.
What is gravity? Its invisible, we have "faith" it exists. Sure we can pull an apple and drop it, but God can quite easily move things at whim in order to create an ordered universe.
Where is your evidence for gravity beyond the observation you can drop things and they move by magic. Nobody has ever SEEN gravity.
How do you know gravity has always existed? You can't take "micro-gravity" and extrapolate that to planetary "macro-gravity".
Quote:please start with the one celled creature, with original conditions, and without outside intelligent beings help and show your theory and process is correct and actually exists.
Oh, so via time travel. Thats original, set an impossible standard for evidence and upon its failure invoke "Therefore God".
How do you even get up in the morning without faith your single cells are going to co-operate in such a manner as to move your body, because they aren't helping in the brain department.
Quote:Yes you do because theory and conjecture are not fact and are not observation. You have no way of verifying one thing evolutionists have claimed and all you are doing is the very thing you reject when God says it: 'Take my word for it and use faith.' (Something the Mormons do quite well)
I suggest you remember that gravity is not a fact by the same standards and try leaving your apartment via the window.
God says 'Here is what I have done, Here is a record for you so you know what i did and use faith for faith pleases me.'
Quote:You reject that from God YET use it for your own theory. Won't fly. Pony up the real evidence, prove your case or shut up about evolution forever. {and you cannot start with the end result, bring the real evidence starting from square one}
You're ranting.
You set an impossible standard and claim failure to achieve it is not real evidence.
Essentially, all knowledge becomes useless, including that of your own faith, because the standard is one of near infinite regress. You must show the initial particle in all instances. The first created matter.
You don't have it, you have the claims of goatherders.
What you really miss, is the application of probability. I absolutely agree with you that knowledge cannot ever be an absolute, merely degrees of probability.
Scientific methodology arms us with the ability to deduce to high probability about truth. Its not always right, and its always trying to correct itself.
Now compare this with a book you have no knowledge of its creation beyond personal private assertion, and using that text to form your framework about existence.
Now really.. .consider probability when it comes to truth.
If you were intellectually honest with yourself, you could never side with option 2 here.
Self-authenticating private evidence is useless, because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it. ― Kel, Kelosophy Blog
If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm
If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm