(May 6, 2012 at 3:18 am)DeeTee Wrote: No, God's word contains the absolute standard for morality
But you said that moral standards don't apply to your god. One set applies to us humans. Another set, if anything at all, applies to your god. "Rules for thee, not for me", says Yahweh. By definition, this is not an absolute standard of morality.
Quote:But you assume He does not exist which undermine's your own argument. Religion and belief exist thus it has to be taken into account. Your problem is in proving that God does not exist and mere unbelief does not constitute proof.
Logical Fallacy: Burden of Proof
Quote:you refuse to distinguish between true and false belief but lump it all together. That is the coward's way.
See above. That's the logical way. Religions have the burden of proof. Until one can be proven true, they're all assumed to be false.
Quote:Quote:Why
Because those are the rules.
Logical Fallacy: Begging the Question
Quote:How is it immoral?
A. Moral justice can't involve someone being punished for someone else's crimes.
B. The only crime in Yahweh's justice is not being gullible. People are in Hell not for their crimes but for not believing what they're told to believe without evidence and against all evidence.
Quote:Who said the Muslims are correct and why would you listen to them over the truth?
I don't listen to them. They spout nonsense. You spout nonsense. Neither of you have any evidence to support either of your claims over the other. It's just two crazy guys on a street corner shouting at each other over who's imaginary friend is real.
Quote:it means something to me and since I am on the Bible's side, I will use it as it is part of my perspective.
But it's not evidence of anything.
Quote:Satan is not making God do anything BUT using HIS declared judgement/punishment to destroy God's creation.
Given how the vast majority of souls will be condemned, it looks like Satan does win in the end then.
Quote:God gives people free choice, you get to choose whom you will follow, it is NOT God's fault you chose wrong.
So life is a test then?
Quote:You don't believe He exists so why would you look for Him? The equation calls for 'faith' you want to avoid that but it can't be done.
What you call "faith" seems indistinguishable from gullibility.
Quote:He also chose to involve His son and the Holy Spirit. God does have free choice too you know. No man can come unto the Father except by me--Jesus.And since Jesus is Yahweh,
"No man comes to me except by me" -Jesus
"Me, me, why have I forsaken me" -Jesus as he was bleeding on a cross because it was the only way he could convince himself to forgive us all for being such sinful beings which we are because an ancestor of ours ate a magic fruit after speaking with a talking snake.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
