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To Christians who aren't creationists
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists
(May 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Not this one, no. It's fundamental biology, not a debate.

So you want to turn biological evolution into sacrosanct dogma protected from debate. That is your prerogative, I suppose. Fundies abound. As for myself—and I hope it is an opinion shared by NoMoreFaith as well as others (even if you happen to take an opposing stance)—I think that critically exploring and defending evolutionary claims and ideas should continue to be open to debate, such as what evolution may or may not "allow." There is serious scientific research at various levels looking at the phenomenon of aging and life extension science, which ostensibly involves considering its evolutionary context. I think that taking a scientific idea and exploring whether or not it is falsifiable in principle (even if not in fact, since we are not scientists ourselves) should be encouraged, not stifled.

Obviously you are free to sit this one out. I am interested in the evidence for and falsifiability of NoMoreFaith's claim that evolution does not "allow" centuries-old individuals, and I hope he does not follow your example of dogmatically proclaiming that it is closed to any debate, that there is no room for disagreement.

(May 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If we're going to continue this charade I would expect you to do just a smidgeon of research. Don't you think it would be wise to make sure that there is room for disagreement before creating one?

First, you are free to continue treating me as if I am, like some fundy creationist, ignorant of fundamental biology and evolution. There is no evidence for that, and in fact evidence to the contrary; but what does evidence matter unless one actually values it enough to draw their conclusions from it?

Second, what field or conclusion of science do you think has no room for disagreement? And when did resolute dogmatism become welcomed in science?
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Welsh cake - April 24, 2012 at 6:08 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Re: To Christians who aren't creationists - by fr0d0 - April 24, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by padraic - April 24, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Re: RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by fr0d0 - April 24, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 11:15 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 8:39 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 10:36 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by padraic - April 24, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Minimalist - April 25, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 11:40 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 12:25 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Minimalist - April 25, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Shell B - April 25, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by padraic - April 25, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Minimalist - April 25, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Welsh cake - April 27, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Minimalist - April 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by DeeTee - May 3, 2012 at 10:31 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by padraic - May 3, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by DeeTee - May 3, 2012 at 11:25 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Ryft - May 4, 2012 at 3:14 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Ryft - May 5, 2012 at 4:31 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Ryft - May 7, 2012 at 12:12 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Ryft - May 7, 2012 at 10:25 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Ryft - May 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Ryft - May 7, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Tobie - May 8, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Aiza - May 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Ryft - May 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Aiza - May 13, 2012 at 3:23 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Tobie - May 8, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Annik - May 8, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Re: To Christians who aren't creationists - by fr0d0 - May 8, 2012 at 8:25 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by padraic - May 12, 2012 at 3:32 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by padraic - May 13, 2012 at 7:07 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Polaris - May 18, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by padraic - May 18, 2012 at 7:51 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Polaris - May 18, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Polaris - May 18, 2012 at 8:54 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by Polaris - May 18, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by padraic - May 19, 2012 at 12:00 am
RE: To Christians who aren't creationists - by padraic - May 19, 2012 at 4:06 am

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