There's no nicer way to say this but...

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or there would never be interracial marriage.

In America? Yeah, they once strived to protect this illusion of "whiteness" of theirs once upon a time. And blacks have tried to protect, perhaps their blackness.
Who knows, really. In my mind, there is no such a thing. I can't really think of getting married of a person of another race. Things would be just too complicated.

This "rights" include

I am against gays having anything to do with children, so scrap that one too.
The rest can be handled through various means.

And there will always be other corrupt asshats to take their places claiming they have the peoples interests at heart.

Well, with the current system of demoncracy, yes.
Democracy just fuels corruption. It's not the fault of the nation or the country.

Ok, not sure how marriage works over there but over here its not a free licence to screw in public. I say this because that must be how you think it works based on your comments about "flaunting" and "public decency". So, with this in mind; whos it really hurting?

You don't need a free license to screw in public. However, they can certainly do so if they think that they have received enough public acceptance to bring their homosexual identities, the identity by which they seem to self-identify before everything else, to each and every part of society.
Of course, "they're not hurting anyone", as you said. But as I also said, if I went and laid a sheet of newspaper in front of your door, took a dump on there, and later on disposed of it in the trash bin, have I not "hurt" you?
Have I not flaunted public decency? Even if my private parts did not show for the slightest bit, I've done something grotesque. Similarly, homosexuals, although they do not perhaps have sex out in the open(I assume that you're an opponent of public nudity), are *there*. They are there as homosexuals. Not as anyone else. When I look at that person, I see his homosexuality, because that is what he wants me to do. And he wants me to accept his presence as the homosexual in every parts of society. That, I cannot abide.

Let me explain how government works. Politicans want our votes, if an issue is considered controversial or important they avoid it so they don't lose votes. We give them money for this service. Thats it. There have been many marches, this alone shows the want.

Good for them. If I were a politician I'd take a staunchc opposition to this, however, would try to negotiate with the homosexual communities to find a middle path. Obviously, your politicians reflect your stubbornness.
Besides, those are how elections work. You cannot comprehend how a government works, let alone the ones who claim to rule it cannot comprehend it.
It's because they do not. They make laws, perhaps, or determine budgets, but it is the people of the country that make the government running even if they want it to stop.

Don't compare them to incest, thats just insulting.

Oh? Why? Are you suggesting that incest is a wrong form of conduct?
Oh come on, I thought you were a bit more freethinking than that!

Those types of relationships can create genetic defects in offspring,

Let's say that all have their tubes tied, how about that? Let's say that they also want things like adoption, or surrogacy to have children to look after.
No offspring from the original mothers and fathers. Besides, you've been babbling to me about marriage being just about love, and not having children and etc and etc. Now why can't you say the same about incest?
In my viewpoint, it's simply the same.
My views on homosexuality and incestious relationships are same.
It's just incest can also include homosexual or heterosexual relationships, so it also comes down to where you stand.

also fucking your own sister just isn't nice considering you come from the same family.

And it's nice to fuck or be fucked by your fellow male?
And are incestious relationships not abundant in nature aswell(more so than homosexuality ever could)?
That would instantly make them normal. Or it should.

The traditions and customs your country pursues and unwillingness to break with them has left your country in an "interesting" position. I, personally, don't intend to get married when I find the woman I love

Well, that is why I said that the institution of marriage is crumbling in the west. It's fine for me, if you choose not to get married. I guess you just don't want to go under the burden of marrige, but I'm not certain how she will treat this decision of yours.
And why would I break with my traditions of customs?
These are things by which I define myself.
Just like homosexuals define themselves by their homosexuality.

I find it a strange concept as it turns an otherwise harmless and fufilling relationship that could last a lifetime into a legally binding shackle.

When enough people like you begin to think so, your society will have entered a point of no return. The concept of family will be destroyed, and soon, anything else. I believe that this selfish position you maintained in this thread is something that will change in the future. You will get married, have kids and contribute to future generations by looking after these kids. These legally binding shackles will be a driving force behind it.
But you could also choose the easy path, and die alone with no one to look after you, strong independent person.

The adventure and excitement must fade very quickly. Why am I still allowed the right when there are countless people out there who want it, who fight for it but are denied it?

They don't fight for it because they want it so much. They fight for it to normalize their condition. They are denied this privilage because this privilage was never meant for them to begin with. It was meant for a man and a woman. I've maintained this position from the start.
It's underlying reasons are simple.
Homosexuals do serve only to complicate things further than they should.

Oh right? Talk me through how this would happen.

With the dilution of marriage through people who just do not want to bear the burden of having a stable life, or are completely at odds with it's most fundamental concepts, have already started this erosion. Fewer and fewer couples now go the path of marriage, and even more are divorcing at the first sight of any unrest.
And they use this to maintain that gays are the supposed saviors of marriage because they want it so much. They want it so much due to the aformentioned reasons. Their love to eachother has very little to do with it.

To be fair, I'm not the most informed on Turkish history I could be but enough to know its extremely bloody and certainly not the guiding light of the world.

Yes, we are known to have clashed with several civilisations on many occasions. Guiding light of the world? Obviously, the circumstances are also not the same.

Ok, let me rephrase that. You guys *killed* people for staying in coffee houses... and you're "the sane ones".

By you guys, you mean us, killing ourselves. Because the people who went to coffee houses, and the ones performing the executions were still the same people. It's ridiculous to claim such a thing. And with your meagre knowledge of Turkish history, I guess you can't tell me during whose reign it happened for how long.

And with the same insanity, you've witnessed the beheadings of your own queens, simply because they were not able to bear children. In our society, such a thing would be unthinkable to slay a woman over that.

"All drivers must carry a hygienic body bag suitable for carrying a body up to 18st 12lbs (120 kilos). Failure to do so will result in a fine and possible a 6 month jail sentence."
... wtf.

And? I guess if we're going down that highway, I could dig up a few stupid laws that are never enforced in England. Certainly, this law is nothing we've ever heard of.
Meaning, it's there, but never enforced. Why you come up to me with these things, I can't really comprehend.

Oh and lets not forget a history of censorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Turkey

Its not even as though your countries intolerance extends only toward gays:
http://undhimmi.com/2011/06/13/turkish-c...tolerance/

And? Censorship is first and foremost applied to us, the people who value the Turkish nation. But relaxed for your common homosexual-supporting leftist, liberal and etc. Things that you should like, as we're not able to "spout hate speech anymore". If you're through with your ad hominem, I'd like to go back to our original point of discussion.

And you are going to sit there with a straight face and tell us we should be more like your country?

I think you could follow the example of our country by actually looking at the problems that are relevant to society. Obviously, homosexuals are the least relevant of anyone's problems in Turkey. That is no one really thinks of them too much unless they become too much of a thorn in anyones eye to be noticed as one.

You want to hear what our "insanity" gives us? A country that has working plumbing and tap water thats sanitary enough to *drink.*

And you maintain that we don't have that, having toured the lot of our country to look for remote kurdish villages which lack such systems, not due to our lack of efforts though.

You really want to argue whos behind here? Really?

Are you through with your ad hominem and tu quoque? Not that it held much truth within it, but it was a nice waste of time replying to questions irrelevant to our topic. If you want to direct your wrath towards my country with further questions, you can do so in another thread, I'd be more happy to answer. Obviously, there is no shame in ignorance. There is shame in willfully remaining ignorant, though.