(May 12, 2012 at 6:17 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Correct, but the slave of a master also received enough nutrition, shelter and even perhaps a wife and children.
Treated as property? I wish they were, as people actually protect their property from harm. Those people are not protected from harm.
So we agree. That is not an example of slavery. Any others?
(May 12, 2012 at 6:17 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, it is not me, as a single person, who is forcing a value on anyone.
No, simply as a part of community that does.
(May 12, 2012 at 6:17 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Besides, these values are necessary for our national survival.
So it would be only logical if we protect them.
Not if you trample on someone else's values to do so.
(May 12, 2012 at 6:17 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Anyone who isn't willing in accepting those is free to do so.
As you indicate below, no, they are not.
(May 12, 2012 at 6:17 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: But such people have to be in touch with people who do accept, and live out these values, yes? They have to respect the way that the majority handles things, and may not voice out or carry out actions that could go against the values of the public.
If they do that, if they shut up and put up, they are accepting those values. If they were really free to reject them, then they'd also be free to criticize and act against those "common" values.
(May 12, 2012 at 6:17 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: However, they have the right to live in harmony with the values of the people, by obeying the same rules that everyone does.
As they have the right to refuse to do so.
(May 12, 2012 at 6:17 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Suggesting otherwise would be to suggest anarchy and terrorism.
"Anarchy and terrorism"? Yes, that is the name given to social and cultural change by conservatives with tightly corseted minds.