RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 12, 2012 at 7:40 am
(This post was last modified: May 12, 2012 at 7:44 am by genkaus.)
(May 12, 2012 at 7:12 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: No, we don't. It is just slavery that isn't named slavery.
If the tabgach were my slaves, I'd treat them much better than their masters treat them. They would not have to worry about whether they will get through the month, with whatever they earn, and look after their family.
So, the tabgach (whatever the hell that is) are not your slaves. You are not making any argument for it being slavery.
(May 12, 2012 at 7:12 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, the community is above any individual.
No, it isn't. Without each and every individual, there wouldn't be a community. That automatically gives precedence to the individual.
(May 12, 2012 at 7:12 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: If those values wish to trample mine, I do not only trample his values, I trample him under my heels.
For he means to trample me underfood if he wants to trample our values.
For our values define us. Without them, who would we be? Just a piece of flesh, that eats, drinks, and entertains itself.
No, not sharing or accepting your values does not mean that he intends to trample either them or you. But clearly, you have assumed that position. And by the way, you are just a piece of flesh that eats, drinks and entertains itself with delusions of having objective values.
(May 12, 2012 at 7:12 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: As I said, if they act against these values, they act against the public itself.
Such an act can never be tolerated. They are, however, free to hold the views that these values are wrong. If they are unhappy with the ways that fly around here, they are free to go!
And that is how you judge if the right of freedom is really being applied. If a person is free to stay and act according to his values, even if they go against the common public values, then he has the right to freedom. Otherwise, he is simply being coerced into accepting values that are not his own. Such a society, which apparently yours is, is immoral and corrupt.
(May 12, 2012 at 7:12 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: You can refuse, yet you cannot take this to the degree of disrespect.
Such is the law of the world.
Yes, you can. Such is the decree of the right to individual liberty.
(May 12, 2012 at 7:12 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Only society changes it's culture and customs according to circumstances.
Core values stay the same.
Those who wish to destroy core values generally use means of violence and anarchy. Such people are to be dealt with the harshest of measures.
Except, history is littered with examples of constantly changing core values. And the current social change movements indicate that it is those who want to keep the same core values are the ones using violence and anarchy, while those who do use peaceful methods like reason and debate. That is understandable. The so called modern (secular) values are based on rationality, while your outdated and defunct "core" values are not. So anyone still clinging to them has no option but to take a recourse to violence.