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Expensive houses of well known televangelists
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RE: Expensive houses of well known televangelists
Quote:Since all of the Abrahamic faiths call upon you to reach heaven by self-sacrifice, you should go around busting up drug-gangs till you get killed.
I guess busting up drug gangs is what you understand from self-sacrifice.
But self-sacrifice for whom?
Quote:And then you should work actively to bring about that time. Because if you don't, you haven't really forfeited your life.
How do you define "work actively".
I've forfeited my life for my ideals. I will give my life if I have to, in order for them to be realized. Is this so hard to comprehend?
My ideals are of political nature. Hermits, dervishes and monks, forfeit their lives to their particular religion, God or tenets. This is called devotion. If this devotion requires them to lay down their lives in an instant, they do so. But most generally abstain from worldly needs as much as they can. Things that define life. For example, women, food, wine, property and etc. Abstaining from these would mean that you did have forfeited your life already. You live only for your God.
I guess this shouldn't be so hard to understand.

Quote:No, without your life, nothing can be meaningful. Therefore, forfeiting something that is the source of meaning is not meaningfull.
But you just took their meaning away by telling them to go kill themselves.
Obviously they still live, and they live for their God and religion. Things that have higher meanings for them.
Quote:That is exactly what I find disgusting. Renouncing meaning and worth of the real life that you have now for an imaginary one.
Well, you call it imaginary, they call your life imaginary. Buddhism states that whatever you do in this life is merely illusionary. Islam states that it's merely a test. Both come to the conclusion that at the end, whatever experiences you had on this world are moot, if they are not directed towards God, or Nirvana.
They look at you, and say, "what a fool indeed". How long can you keep it up? When will you be ever satisfied? What real meaning and worth do you find in this life?
I myself find worth and meaning in that I live for my people and nation.
It still is a higher ideal beyond my selfish needs. It still is an ideal beyond my ego.
Even after I die, my nation will live. Whatever contributions I have done for it will live with it.
My ideals do not require me to give up worldly needs, but they do not require me to lose myself within them. Worldly needs are merely tools for me in order to serve my people a bit better. Money can contribute to a lot of things. Marriage and having children secure the next generation.

On the other hand, religiously motivated hermits do not aim for a worldly goal. They do not aim to aid a nation or any nation. They aim to aid any individuals they come across as best as they could, at least our dervish orders do, but from their words, "Love the people due to your love of God." principle requires them to do so.
But this too, is merely a tool on the way to their goal. Denouncing selfishness, helping the people who need help, for the sake of God.
Quote:Is this supposed to mean something? All I see is a lunatic whose very actions are an insult to the collective greatness of human intelligence.
I thought you were an individualist. As you cannot ever hope to best his archivements in the areas of poetry and literature, neither his will in archiving a particular goal, you call him mad and stupid. You on the other hand possess the intelligence of an animal, perhaps, even if your IQ is over 200, you still are like an animal. For you lack the appreciation that is needed to understand how and why he was capable of enduring any hardships, nor his devotion to his art and religion.
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RE: Expensive houses of well known televangelists - by kılıç_mehmet - May 12, 2012 at 7:47 am

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