Morality: Where do you get yours?

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So, the tabgach (whatever the hell that is) are not your slaves. You are not making any argument for it being slavery.

Tabgach is the word I use for the chinese. Well, they aren't, obviously, but if they were, they would be better off than what they endure over there.
Economic slavery. It requires you to work hard, and feed yourself to a bare minimum. It does not allow you to pursue any particular goals in life other than to get through the day, it kills any incentive to archive any personal or collective goals.

No, it isn't. Without each and every individual, there wouldn't be a community. That automatically gives precedence to the individual.

And without the community, the individual cannot survive. This is why the community is above everyone.

No, not sharing or accepting your values does not mean that he intends to trample either them or you. But clearly, you have assumed that position.

Well, this is what I said. But if he acts against them, either by publicly flaunting them, or verbally abusing them in public, he certainly shows no respect to any of us.

And by the way, you are just a piece of flesh that eats, drinks and entertains itself with delusions of having objective values.

Who said that they are objective?
Besides, I am not just a piece of flesh that eats, drinks and entertains myself. For I have values, goals and ideals that are above these. You call them "delusions", without even knowing what they are. If I'm delusional, you are judgemental.

And that is how you judge if the right of freedom is really being applied. If a person is free to stay and act according to his values, even if they go against the common public values, then he has the right to freedom. Otherwise, he is simply being coerced into accepting values that are not his own. Such a society, which apparently yours is, is immoral and corrupt.

And how is it that we do not allow people to take a dump out on the street?
A very, very common value in all societies, public decency. If I deny a person to take a dump in front of everyone, am I obstructing his freedom?
I am however, coercing him to stop taking a dump in public. I am forcing him to accept public decency. Am I immortal, or corrupt?
By your words, I am.

Yes, you can. Such is the decree of the right to individual liberty.

Meaning, you lack any kind of limits to anything, yes?
We limit the liberty of an individual collectively, as a society.
Societies cannot exist without limits.

Except, history is littered with examples of constantly changing core values

Like?
For example, the right to property? Yes, the bolsheviks did that, and they did so by means of violence and force.
Or, is rape not a violation of another core value of our society? But people generally go against it by using violence.
These are core values that are accepted around the globe.
Those who go against them do so by the use of force and violence.

And the current social change movements indicate that it is those who want to keep the same core values are the ones using violence and anarchy, while those who do use peaceful methods like reason and debate.

As I have given examples, please do give me similar examples.
You cannot change core values by debate. It's impossible.
It generally takes a revolution or two to snuff out a core value, and core values generally bind other values to themselves.
Did we, use violence to protect the core value of property, and the core value of individual honour and sexuality?
How could someone, who protects core values, use means of unjustified violence and anarchy, which also defy core values, to protect them?
But using adequate force, and law protects these values. Of course, you're obviously not a fan of law nor order.

The so called modern (secular) values are based on rationality, while your outdated and defunct "core" values are not.

You're sadly ignorant about my values, obviously. I am a very secular person, actually, and see secularism as another core value of our society, one that protects other core values.
For me, secularism and nationalism, both core, and important values, are inseperable from eachother.
You do not even know what secularism is.

So anyone still clinging to them has no option but to take a recourse to violence.

Well, why? We have our laws, we have society.
Anyone who would like to destroy our core values has to do it by force. So we have to reply in self-defense.