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What stops you from sinning in heaven?
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RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven?
(May 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Aiza Wrote: People in Heaven are 'incapable' of sinning the way God is 'incapable' of sinning.

As in, anything they do is automatically deemed as just.. even if its genocide, murder etc etc.. woah.. heaven sounds .. nasty.

(May 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Aiza Wrote: Heaven, partaking of God's divine nature, is something which is only possible if you are perfect. A perfect person doesn't commit any evil--if they committed evil, they wouldn't be perfect after all, and they wouldn't have been in Heaven.

Heaven must be very empty, and ironically free from most of the Popes and Saints.

If we are talking repentance for those sins, then we must also talk about the loss of free will.

Its blase to say that only perfect people go to heaven, therefore no sin is committed. Humans are not black and white, perfect or completely evil. Its meaningless as a paragraph. If we discuss, that this perfection is attained through true repentence then we must also accept that those in heaven are incapable of change, which ergo, limits and perhaps annihilates free will. Free Will by its very nature requires the ability to change, otherwise actions are completely determined.

The idea of "Good" itself is only useful as a term in view of the concept of free will, that we can choose altruism, maliciousness etc.

(May 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Aiza Wrote: Its sort of the flip question of "can someone in Hell repent?" Hell is the absence of any good, so any genuine feelings of remorse for sin and the seed of goodness which is allowed to bring that repentence, isn't compatible with hell.

Since part of the "reasons to go to hell" involve non-belief, one would consider that one would give repentence a pretty good go.

Unless you are basically saying, that non-belief in God, means you are completely evil in every aspect, which is non-compatible with .. the real world.

This is a peculiarly black and white way to think of things, all the evil you can eat, as long as you follow up feeling genuine remorse, and you're "PERFECT" for eternity.
A person who dedicates their life to making life good for their fellow man, doesn't believe in God. Sent to hell with no opportunity for remorse for that simple lack of belief.

How human, and malicious this God becomes.

(May 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Aiza Wrote: Christians suffer in remorse for their sins, and are brought closer to perfection both in this world and in Purgatory.

Well, you are catholic, so inventing new worlds is hardly new, except when you have to say "whoops, never existed anyway". What happened to Limbo anyway?

Basically, your concept of heaven becomes this torturous existence, where you do not CONFORM to God's standards, and therefore are sent to purgatory until your freewill is crushed (remember, perfection is incompatible with free will).

(May 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Aiza Wrote: (Purgatory is held by the majority of Christianity, though not all of it.)

Thankfully, its a nasty piece of thinking, which is all the more astounding that it is plucked from the air, with hardly reference in the bible itself.

You'd think something like that would be worth mentioning.....

Clearly 12th century catholics decided the bible hadn't plagiarised enough from Zoroastrianism and others.
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RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Cinjin - May 10, 2012 at 11:17 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Drich - May 10, 2012 at 11:21 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Cinjin - May 10, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Thor - May 11, 2012 at 10:05 am
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Thor - May 11, 2012 at 11:16 am
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Thor - May 11, 2012 at 11:51 am
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by C Rod - May 10, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by C Rod - May 10, 2012 at 11:55 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by C Rod - May 11, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Aiza - May 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by NoMoreFaith - May 12, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Aiza - May 13, 2012 at 3:36 am
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Thor - May 13, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Aiza - May 14, 2012 at 5:59 am
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Thor - May 12, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Thor - May 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Aiza - May 14, 2012 at 10:26 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Cinjin - May 14, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Ryft - May 14, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Aiza - May 15, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Aiza - May 16, 2012 at 4:40 am
RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven? - by Killman - May 21, 2012 at 12:27 am

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