Morality: Where do you get yours?

[Mystic]

It seems your settling for a lower morality and saying that's all that is needed. But to some, they seek a higher honor and dignity, and the higher honor seems to be linked to a metaphysical being.

Well see that too is just a subjective viewpoint on morality, attributing levels of "higher" and "lower" morality. What then defines each? Is it just "god is higher morality, you are lower morality," if even the most commonly reviled ideas are condoned by god [like slavery and murder]? See, the problem with "morality by god" is that morality is a standard that affects an individual's life. Either yours, or the person/people you are interacting with. They are a tangible identity, and you can see the effects wrought on them by your decisions. God is NOT a tangible identity, it is an idea, a suspicion, a faith, a belief. You are applying morality from the simple standard of "because I believe." Morality from the self, at least, can have a standard that is based on reality, on something that exists, or at least, existed. God to this day is not proven to exist. People just have "feelings" about god...and as is evidenced by most of the people on this site and pretty much all the world for that matter, this feeling is far from universal. If I take god's morality on what it is, it is not an objective viewpoint, because the idea of god itself is not objective; it is very much subjective, and therefore no "higher" nor "lower" than morality based on your own experiences, wouldn't you agree?

I disagree with that God is not proven to exist. But I think we all acknowledge higher morality then the base morality (don't steal, don't hurt others...) etc, and we do that when we see heroism in movies for example. The heroism in many movies is harder to imitate and follow, then the religious morality your talking about, but we still acknowledge the high honor and morality within that.

Ofcourse morality is linked to our experience, but I talked about it in another thread, that even when we are wrong about issues, it doesn't mean it's totally divorced from God's morality, but that there is more correct view we are not twisted from.

Also, just because something is not universal, doesn't mean there is no right or wrong answer. For example, killing apostates is advocated by both overwhelming majority of Islamic scholars. Yet we can say it is wrong in a definitive conclusive matter.

If we go by universal, some people don't acknowledge morality at all. Should you then do away with your morality just because some others don't?

At the end, to me, morality makes sense when there is an eternal basis to it and it's linked to that eternal basis, and that possible levels of morality, even ones beyond our capabilities, are encompassed by this eternal basis.

I can't go expecting people to all agree with me to have a view on moral issues or God. That's not a logical position to take.

I just have to be honest with myself and my reasoning. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I'm not going to get anywhere by saying I only will believe in what everyone believes universally.