If by subjective reality steve meant to infer that if not for the subjective consciousness objective reality would not exist, as if subjective consciousness somehow conjures up external referents out of thin air, then I must disagree...vehemently!
Simplistically I believe we first need a working brain, and then it requires external referents to interact with to enable any consciousness whatsoever to manifest at all, and only as a consequence of this and many prior physical interactions can what seems post hoc to be a subjective experience, to manifest in the material substance which is our brain, as consciousness. If anyone doubts this, then I challenge them to remember what they were doing before they were conceived, and more to the point, before their mental apparatus was sufficiently primed with physical experiences to allow for cross association, or memory to exist at all. It's all about energy and networks.
The brain is like a huge ball of play doh, and when external referents come into contact with the brain via our senses, physical impressions are left behind. When, over the course of thousands of exploratory investigations certain neurones fire together, it is only because these neurones correlate with such objective referents outside of our bodies in reality. When the neurones fire together, they grow toward one another and when they meet...percepts are born in the mind. These percepts, once enough of them accumulate over time (by using bayesian statistical correlation), can in the same way grow connections toward one another, and when they meet...concepts are born, but this time due to the temporal nature of their birth, prediction becomes possible (via feedback loops). Once our species started predicting, our brains became the primary guardians of our DNA.
I hope this wasn't too much waffle...it might be only I can make sense of it, but I recommend Jeff Hawkins, and staying away from woo woo puddles like steve. In my view consciousness is 100%, as in absolutely only...brain activity. No woo woo, no ethereal arial connection to ohm humming tortoise reincarnations, just boring old brain activity. I say boring, but it really is more beautiful than all that. I would recommend Sam Harris on Free Will, Dan Dennett on Consciousness Explained and Linked by Albert-Lazlo Barabasi...it's all energy and network, in fact I think when we discover everything we can about energy we will find it too is an elaborate network.
Have fun with this...or rip me to shreds...you choose.
Simplistically I believe we first need a working brain, and then it requires external referents to interact with to enable any consciousness whatsoever to manifest at all, and only as a consequence of this and many prior physical interactions can what seems post hoc to be a subjective experience, to manifest in the material substance which is our brain, as consciousness. If anyone doubts this, then I challenge them to remember what they were doing before they were conceived, and more to the point, before their mental apparatus was sufficiently primed with physical experiences to allow for cross association, or memory to exist at all. It's all about energy and networks.
The brain is like a huge ball of play doh, and when external referents come into contact with the brain via our senses, physical impressions are left behind. When, over the course of thousands of exploratory investigations certain neurones fire together, it is only because these neurones correlate with such objective referents outside of our bodies in reality. When the neurones fire together, they grow toward one another and when they meet...percepts are born in the mind. These percepts, once enough of them accumulate over time (by using bayesian statistical correlation), can in the same way grow connections toward one another, and when they meet...concepts are born, but this time due to the temporal nature of their birth, prediction becomes possible (via feedback loops). Once our species started predicting, our brains became the primary guardians of our DNA.
I hope this wasn't too much waffle...it might be only I can make sense of it, but I recommend Jeff Hawkins, and staying away from woo woo puddles like steve. In my view consciousness is 100%, as in absolutely only...brain activity. No woo woo, no ethereal arial connection to ohm humming tortoise reincarnations, just boring old brain activity. I say boring, but it really is more beautiful than all that. I would recommend Sam Harris on Free Will, Dan Dennett on Consciousness Explained and Linked by Albert-Lazlo Barabasi...it's all energy and network, in fact I think when we discover everything we can about energy we will find it too is an elaborate network.
Have fun with this...or rip me to shreds...you choose.
