RE: Gay Marriage: Why the christians need to STFU about it
May 18, 2012 at 2:07 pm
(This post was last modified: May 18, 2012 at 2:15 pm by Creed of Heresy.)
Y'actually, Aiza, I did indeed say "the Christians," but note that if Christians are not speaking out against homosexuality, then they are not being addressed since the prefix to the thread is "Gay Marriage." Note that if you are NOT quoting Leviticus as many Christians DO tend to do when basing their premise that homosexuality is a sin, then therefore you do not need to STFU; quite the opposite, you need to speak up. I resent the implication that I am somehow generalizing when I made my post rather specifically targeted. I did not write anywhere in it "ALL christians think Leviticus = gay marriage is wrong!" I specifically targeted those that do, and why they need to STFU. I would have put in the title "Gay Marriage: Why the Leviticus-following Christians need to STFU about it" but that'd make the title even more unwieldy than it already is...and I'm not sure that I can even MAKE a title that long, truth be told...
As far as catholicism and its whole thing with pedarasty goes...well...supposedly the pope is infallible because he is the pope...to simplify it to an extreme extent. But, see, I take issue with any institution that claims an individual is infallible "just because." No man is infallible, and especially not when he was a Hitler Youth. The catholic church very often does wrong and then rather than coming clean...or, as they put it, "confess their sins," they instead try to scramble to cover them up, thinking that the public will not notice. ...Clearly many do NOT because people still convert to catholicism every day, but to others a bit more perceptive, when we notice such things, we feel revulsion. The same institution that demands all sinners repent hiding its crimes and refusing to, well, repent, as it were, unless they're brow-beaten into it is another element of hypocrisy that I find utterly pathetic.
Sorry, Aiza. I know you're proud of your faith and all but the organization you've chosen to align with is the one I consider to be the absolute worst example of religion. The fact it was that or Islam, as you mentioned in your intro post, makes me cringe and wonder why exactly you seem to be hungry to join religions that espouse women as inferior to men. I sure hope you weren't the victim of domestic violence, because it will not signal a good, healthy mental recovery if you are... If you're wondering where that comes from, well, there's an old saying: Kick a dog enough and soon it begins to believe it genuinely did something wrong, even if it did nothing of the sort. And catholicism and islam are two of the biggest examples of people on high telling the rest that they're all doing something vile and wrong at every moment of their lives. Which is what happens in spousal abuse situations, too...interesting, that, the correlation between spousal abuse and catholicism and islam, yes?
And I agree with Kayenneh: If two guys or two girls wanna get married under religious ordainment, well...that's a different story and I don't really care how the churches handle their own business there, and it ceases to be a public issue anyway.
Funny you should mention false prophets, Alei, because it reminds me that there's been tens of thousands of supposed prophets before and after Jesus supposedly existed.
"Christianity denies 9,999 [gods and prophets]. When you ponder why they deny those, you'll understand why I deny just one more."
As far as catholicism and its whole thing with pedarasty goes...well...supposedly the pope is infallible because he is the pope...to simplify it to an extreme extent. But, see, I take issue with any institution that claims an individual is infallible "just because." No man is infallible, and especially not when he was a Hitler Youth. The catholic church very often does wrong and then rather than coming clean...or, as they put it, "confess their sins," they instead try to scramble to cover them up, thinking that the public will not notice. ...Clearly many do NOT because people still convert to catholicism every day, but to others a bit more perceptive, when we notice such things, we feel revulsion. The same institution that demands all sinners repent hiding its crimes and refusing to, well, repent, as it were, unless they're brow-beaten into it is another element of hypocrisy that I find utterly pathetic.
Sorry, Aiza. I know you're proud of your faith and all but the organization you've chosen to align with is the one I consider to be the absolute worst example of religion. The fact it was that or Islam, as you mentioned in your intro post, makes me cringe and wonder why exactly you seem to be hungry to join religions that espouse women as inferior to men. I sure hope you weren't the victim of domestic violence, because it will not signal a good, healthy mental recovery if you are... If you're wondering where that comes from, well, there's an old saying: Kick a dog enough and soon it begins to believe it genuinely did something wrong, even if it did nothing of the sort. And catholicism and islam are two of the biggest examples of people on high telling the rest that they're all doing something vile and wrong at every moment of their lives. Which is what happens in spousal abuse situations, too...interesting, that, the correlation between spousal abuse and catholicism and islam, yes?
And I agree with Kayenneh: If two guys or two girls wanna get married under religious ordainment, well...that's a different story and I don't really care how the churches handle their own business there, and it ceases to be a public issue anyway.
(May 18, 2012 at 6:12 am)aleialoura Wrote:(May 17, 2012 at 11:38 pm)Aiza Wrote: Actually beliefs against gay marriage come from Church tradition (the fact that for traditional Christianity marriage is about family and new life), and against [male] homosexuality come from the Pauline epistles.
OT law consists of both moral and cultural laws. If you actually read the OT you will note that all of it only applies to Jewish people. When Jesus fulfills the law, he expands it onto Gentiles, abolishing the culture-specific laws as well. This is why if you actually read the rest of Matthew 5, you can see him specifically picking at problems within said OT law.
I grew up as an intellectual slave to idol worshiping Catholicism.
You obviously believed whatever historical bullshit they fed you. Sad, but now, be educated about the real story. Here, I'll help you...
http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boswell
Ever heard of the "Office of the Same Sex Union" or "Order of Uniting Two Men"?
They were Catholic practices, so tell me again about how Church tradition is so mighty and absolute.
As far as Jesus picking out problems with the OT... well, that's why they crucified him, right? They considered him to be a false prophet, and still do.
Funny you should mention false prophets, Alei, because it reminds me that there's been tens of thousands of supposed prophets before and after Jesus supposedly existed.
"Christianity denies 9,999 [gods and prophets]. When you ponder why they deny those, you'll understand why I deny just one more."
