RE: To Christians who aren't creationists
May 18, 2012 at 9:28 pm
(This post was last modified: May 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm by Justtristo.)
(May 18, 2012 at 7:51 pm)padraic Wrote:Quote:I believe Noah's Flood to be a localized event and actually happened because it is a common theme throughout human civilizations emanating from the Black Sea
Yes,floods are common events in mythology.However, the Noah myth seems to have been lifted from the Sumerian 'Epic of Gilgamesh'. It may or may not refer to a real event. More often than not,myths do not refer to real people or events. For that reason 'myth as history' has long been abandoned by reputable scholars.
As far as I'm aware,the fertile crescent civilisations grew inland on the Tigris and Euphrates, not the Black Sea.
I would broadly agree with you Padraic, although I want to add some points.
As Robert M Price said on many occasions stories like Noah's Flood are pretty common to societies which live in areas subject to catastrophic flooding every so often. So the flood story in Torah and Gilgamesh likely had their origin in some catastrophic flood which swept through the Tigris and Euphrates plains.
There is a odd bit in the flood story in the Torah which might point to this.
The waters swelled so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered; the waters swelled above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep.
Genesis 7:19-20 (NRSV)
(May 13, 2012 at 12:48 am)Godschild Wrote: You're wrong most Christians do not believe in evolution, also I asked for a third option, you gave me a maybe at best.
I tend to agree with Godschild's statement, providing you use a certain definition to define who a Christian is. For example I know people like Godschild who don't consider the Roman Catholic church to be Christian and only concede some Catholics are Christians.
Essentially their definition of what a Christian is somebody who recognize Jesus as their Lord and Savoir and would say they will get into heaven because of Jesus death on the cross, rather than doing good works.
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