RE: if god is real then...
May 19, 2012 at 11:17 am
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2012 at 11:19 am by genkaus.)
(May 19, 2012 at 10:29 am)WhatIfGodWasJustAMyth Wrote: Well to play devil's advocate, while I am an atheist, the same argument can be used against any proposal to how the universe started. You can keep going back to the beginning over and over and asking “Well how did that get there then, huh?”
You do realize that that is what we would be doing for any proposal, god or otherwise. The problem here is the fallacious assumption that everything has a cause and therefore the universe must have a cause as well. The principle of causality applies only within the context of space and time, which, as we are discovering, co-exist with the universe itself. The question of "what started the universe" is sensible only if you show that space and time can exist independently of it.
(May 19, 2012 at 10:54 am)liam Wrote: Does it not seem incredibly convenient to everyone present that God just happens to exist OUTSIDE of that which we know exists, such as time and the universe?
Not at all. Its extremely inconvenient for them that science has left their god no other place to hide. Earlier he used to sit just above the clouds.
