(May 19, 2012 at 2:26 am)genkaus Wrote: My problem with this argument is the very vague terms such as "greatest" being used to describe god without specifying why he is greatest.
Humans don't agree on morality and greatness, it doesn't mean we should deny either, just because it's exact properties are not agreed upon. We know what greatness as a concept means, we all believe in some greatness, so when it comes to Ultimate Greatness, we can agree upon some things but differ on other things.
Quote:Secondly, the ultimate goodness argument doesn't really cut it for me because all conceptualizations of god, while claiming ultimate goodness give a different meaning to that term. So, even if god exists, he may be ultimate good by one person's standard and ultimate evil by another. Then obviously, that another person would not and should not be expected to worship him.
Well obviously whatever God is, that is what we should deem ultimate goodness. I don't find the Christian or Islamic God conception to be ultimate goodness, but never the less, I accept there is an Ultimate Great God.
Whatever is true greatness and true goodness is defined through his existence.
Therefore if torturing people with fire for disbelieving in the true religion is evil, then naturally we shouldn't believe God would do such a thing.
It seems to me religion veiled people from the true beauty of God.
I can remember while religious, I focused on compassion, love, mercy of God portrayed in the religion, and sort of ignored the wrathful side portrayed in the religion.
I think deep inside I always knew the true beauty of God but just blinded myself to it by indoctrination.