(May 29, 2012 at 5:59 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:(May 28, 2012 at 12:14 pm)Shell B Wrote: What, kilic?
It's just a joke.
It's all just a big joke, Shell. Who knows what really happened over there.
Quote:I thought Turkey was.See, Napoleon? They are practically asking for it.
(May 28, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Syria is looking really bad even in the eyes of Muslims right now. The Middle east is being fractured by technology, and all their theocracies and fascism are being exposed.
I think the Middle East will have to eventually become more like Turkey or Morocco, which isn't saying much, but still better than most places, if it wants to catch up with modern times. Neda in Iran, and the video of the Saudi woman telling the goon squad "fuck you". The east will not change over night but I think the cat is out of the bag now and they will have to change or be isolated like North Korea.
I think the middle east needs more dictators.
Democracy does not work here, although it's debatable whether it works over there in the west....
Bullshit, you'd sacrifice freedom for regional security. Nonsense. It wasn't that long ago that Christianity was as theocratic and fascist as Islam. If Christianity can escape it's Dark Ages, so can Islam.
I think you underestimate what humans can do if given the chance. If one woman is willing IN SAUDI ARABIA to stand up to their goons, then there is an underground that can take root and change things.
Democracy doesn't work right now because of the monopoly of Islam on those governments. Break that monopoly and it can and will work.
If religious monopolies could never be defeated over time, we would still be living in the Dark Ages. I have met Arabs and talked to former Muslims that do want to get with the times. I think it is up to us in the west to foster that change and encourage those who do. Things don't change over night, but they can and have.
There is a difference between "right now" and "the future". I think technology will change things long term for the better. And for any Arab and Muslim reading this, who wants secularism and pluralism, I stand with you.
