RE: Why did God create the universe?
June 5, 2012 at 4:42 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2012 at 4:47 pm by Drich.)
(June 5, 2012 at 4:03 pm)whateverist Wrote: I know. Was everything perfect with God before He got busy, or did he create shit because His 'world' was deficient without us all?When God creates, it is deem to be 'good." Good however does not always mean complete.
Quote:Was it perfect for him in the void before?The same could be said about perfect. Perfect does not mean complete. Perfect can simply mean;exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose.(dictionary.com)
Quote: If not, was there any rhyme or reason to when He got around to creating it all?There was, and in part our relationship with Him was a big part of that.
Quote: Did He nail the timing of creation?I don't know what you are asking here.
Quote: Was creation for His pleasure or for us?Why couldn't it serve both of us?
Quote: Was He being self-indulgent or beneficent?Again what is wrong with both?
Quote:If creation flowed from his generosity (rather than boredom) I wonder why He chose to make us so much less than himself - mortal, limited, omni-nothing.Why would He create demi gods if the staunch majority want to rebell? Wouldn't it make more sense to 'test' those who have been given free will and reign over themselves before He puts us in a position of Power? this example has already played out in lucifer and the fallen.
That is why we are told If we are responsiable with very little then we will be given much more. If we are not responsiable with what we have been given then what we have will be taken away and given to someone else.
Quote: Was that the best He could do?Given our nature, i would say yes.
Quote:Or did He like having such an enormous power differential? Perhaps He thought: "if I make them really dim and needy they can sing my praises all day, behold Me in awe, and worship everything about Me". Kind of like a man who wants to marry a woman he feels superior to.What we have been given to in this life are only shadows to what the faith can expect in the next one.
(June 5, 2012 at 4:08 pm)Darwinian Wrote:(June 5, 2012 at 3:50 pm)Drich Wrote: You have been given a window into His nature. After all apart of you was made in His image. So put yourself in a state of nothingness, and ask yourself would you remain there? if so how long before you decided to make a change well with in your ablity to do so?
I think I would have had far more respect for a simple "I don't know."
What if we have been given to know? would you respect the same answer?
(June 5, 2012 at 4:39 pm)cato123 Wrote:(June 5, 2012 at 3:50 pm)Drich Wrote: You have been given a window into His nature. After all apart of you was made in His image. So put yourself in a state of nothingness, and ask yourself would you remain there? if so how long before you decided to make a change well with in your ablity to do so?
The "well within your ability to do so" comment caught my attention and started me thinking about the quality of the creation. I immediately recalled this bit from George Carlin:
"I want you to know, when it comes to believing in god- I really tried. I really really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god who created each one of us in his own image and likeness, loves us very much and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is FUCKED-UP. Something is WRONG here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is NOT good work. If this is the best god can do, I am NOT impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently run universe, this guy would have been out on his all-powerful-ass a long time ago." - [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]
If you could only ask George what he thought now.
Unfortunatly George thought that the picture of God painted by religion was the same picture of God painted by scripture. Unfortunatly for him it does not seem that he ventured very far beyond the religion he attributed to God, and when he found fault in it. he attributed to God rather than to the efforts of the men who created and supported said religion.