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Why did God create the universe?
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RE: Why did God create the universe?
(June 5, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Drich Wrote:
(June 5, 2012 at 3:54 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: You're thinking of God in temporal terms.
Aside from identifying 'temporal terms' do you really understand what it is to be outside of time? We do not even have the ablity to be able to verbalize existance outside of ordered time as we know it. so how else can one truly express the nature of existence outside of liner time with out referencing liner time if he is bound by it? So the cloest we can describe an existance outside of time is by pointing to eternity.

What I meant was that you seemed to have conceived of God who is eternal as experiencing problems that can only be experienced in temporality. When you said "...put yourself in a state of nothingness, and ask yourself would you remain there? if so how long before you decided to make a change well with in your ablity to do so?" you're picturing God waiting (a temporal concept), becoming impatient (temporal concept) with "nothingness" (as indicated by "how long before..."), imagining a future time in which there isn't nothingness, and then creating something to alleviate the present loneliness.

(June 5, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Drich Wrote: Same problem, how can one describe a concept of absolute nothingness is all we know are point of creation with nothing in it? It is a concept forgein to us if you are honest with yourself. For even in the nothingness of space you are still apart of creation. so how else can one describe the void in which creation was spoken out of, without pointing to or treating 'nothing like something."

Good observations though. However I do not see any other way to communicate the state and existance in which inspired creation aside from what was said. If you have suggestions I am open to them.

I was pointing out that if God existed but the universe didn't, then it's not true to say that that means "nothing" exists. God is something unless you conceive of him as being "nothing." When you said "...put yourself in a state of nothingness, and ask yourself would you remain there?" you're making what appears to me to be a completely senseless statement. Something cannot be put "into" nothing.


(June 5, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:And from what I'm gathering you seem to be saying that God got lonely?
Yes.

This is the biggest problem I see with your answer. It seems to contradict God's self-sufficiency. From your answer, God apparently was in a negative emotional state of loneliness which he needed to alleviate by creating other beings.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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