(June 5, 2012 at 6:19 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: What I meant was that you seemed to have conceived of God who is eternal as experiencing problems that can only be experienced in temporality. When you said "...put yourself in a state of nothingness, and ask yourself would you remain there? if so how long before you decided to make a change well with in your ablity to do so?" you're picturing God waiting (a temporal concept), becoming impatient (temporal concept) with "nothingness" (as indicated by "how long before..."), imagining a future time in which there isn't nothingness, and then creating something to alleviate the present loneliness.You misunderstand the intention and focous of my statement. We are looking at a state of emotion that we share with God. Not his specific situation. The reason for the given circumstance was not to reproduce the situation God face but to invoke a emotional response given the cloest thing we can experience.
(June 5, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Drich Wrote: Same problem, how can one describe a concept of absolute nothingness is all we know are point of creation with nothing in it? It is a concept forgein to us if you are honest with yourself. For even in the nothingness of space you are still apart of creation. so how else can one describe the void in which creation was spoken out of, without pointing to or treating 'nothing like something."
Good observations though. However I do not see any other way to communicate the state and existance in which inspired creation aside from what was said. If you have suggestions I am open to them.
I was pointing out that if God existed but the universe didn't, then it's not true to say that that means "nothing" exists. God is something unless you conceive of him as being "nothing." When you said "...put yourself in a state of nothingness, and ask yourself would you remain there?" you're making what appears to me to be a completely senseless statement. Something cannot be put "into" nothing.
Quote:This is the biggest problem I see with your answer. It seems to contradict God's self-sufficiency. From your answer, God apparently was in a negative emotional state of loneliness which he needed to alleviate by creating other beings.I'm not see the appearent problem you do.
For we must first establish "biblically' the terms of God's self sufficiency, and see if anything says He can not want compainionship. which I know of nothing..
If anything God saw the need for compainionship, and was the sole reason He created Eve for Adam. the fact that He empathized with Adam and created woman for him points to a God who knows what it is to be alone and sees that it is "not good."