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Why did God create the universe?
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RE: Why did God create the universe?
(June 5, 2012 at 9:43 pm)cato123 Wrote: Oh, do tell. Which catholic doctrines 'reinforce alot of the atheist views of God'?
Where do you want to start?

Quote:You don't ever answer the question, do you?
Yes I did, i answer the exact question you asked and nothing more. If you do not like the answer then rephrase the question.

Quote: What is a non-singular perspective of god?
A perspective based on more than one perspective of God.

Quote:I addressed a bible teaching church (the ONE true way taught by others that after investigation you chose or were simply indoctrinated in) or biblical self discovery as both still singular.
Actually you didn't. You only claimed that because God is mentioned in some churches and again in the bible, you believe this to be a singular perspective. There is no evidence that says all churches teach what the bible teaches. In fact i have said the opposite is true. Yet you maintain this somehow magically is still considered a singular perspective.

Which brings us to the next point you have obstinately asked what a singular perspective several times now. Why is it on one hand you are ignorant of this term and yet in the very next paragraph you are dictating its terms?

Quote:You still have yet to give what you mean by a non-singular or complete understanding of god. Just because you can parse and attack a very limited portion of someone's reply and comment doesn't mean that you have actually provided and answer to the original question.
this is a perfect example of what I just mentioned.

Quote:Are you suggesting that the catholic church doesn't teach the bible?
Yes. If Papal doctrine contradicts biblical doctrine then by the power of the church and his status as a living apostle of Jesus Christ he has the authority to over ride the Bible. There are several doctrines Catholic involve themselves in that directly contradict Biblical teachings. (Worship/praying to Idols, Forbidding people to marry, Praying/worship to people rather than to God, raising Marry to the status of a deity (being sinless, even though we are told only Christ wa sinless) All of these doctrine and many many more directly conflict with scripture. This represent one single perspective. Most Atheist's view God based on the Catholic model. George Carlin did. a secondary Perspective would be the one found in the bible. This biblical view contradicts the catholic model in just about every way.


Quote:What exactly is a bible teaching chuch?
A church that speaks where the bible speaks and remains silent where the bible is silent, and if ever there was a church doctrine to be found inconsistent with biblical doctrine then the biblical doctrine would cancle out the church's teaching.

Quote: Do all bible teaching churches agree on all matters of theology?
Define Church. What do you believe 'the church' is? If it is Catholicism, then yes as it is a denominational church all matters follow what the pope says otherwise disagreeing members are removed.

Quote:Are you seriously positing that the reason that I have to make a decision in all matters of my existence is because of your creator's abiguity?
You have a signal choice to make. In where and with whom you wish to spend eternity. Now if God's presents is overbearing, and we can not question or doubt who God is then what Choice is there other than to follow the indisputable evidence? As it is there is doubt. With reasonable doubt there is room for a true choice to be made. Take that doubt away, and we are all forced to follow the evidence.

(June 5, 2012 at 9:57 pm)LiberalHearted Wrote:
(June 5, 2012 at 3:54 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: You're thinking of God in temporal terms. You're also treating nothing like it's something. And from what I'm gathering you seem to be saying that God got lonely?

Which also infers imperfection. Trait associated to humans not a god(s)

Drich, ya need to do better than, he the god man was scratching his ass and thinking what to do next.

Which now infers that this god needs to change. Perfection doesn't need changes. Mona Lisa viola, that is perfection as is David, the renaissance a reformation to change but by humans.

Creators like Picasso et al are just plain inspired folk.

Now, which the cosmos and meteor showers et al is an imperfection and a possible threat to our planet. How does a perfect god make such an imperfect universe. We can add solar flares to this mix.

Which now goes into this god being mean old son of a bitch that 'created something' that harms or potentially harmed many.

Begging the question of how does a perfect thing entity create only imperfections?

A fallacy for you.

I ask that you look up the word perfection, because not all forms of 'perfection' are static. Perfection can and does incorporate change when needed. Otherwise Man would have never made it out of the garden.

God is perfect, even if He is subject to the same emotions He has allowed us to experience. Just because an emotion is undesirable does not make it any less perfect. True perfection has nothing to do with want desire, or contentment.
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RE: Why did God create the universe? - by Minimalist - June 5, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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