(June 7, 2012 at 7:18 am)genkaus Wrote: Also, unlike a child, we are not exactly helpless either. My argument is against assumption of responsibility on god's part.
So what gives God the right assert authority over us? Notice that I said "right". Simply having the power to do something doesn't give one the right to. He can do anything, but that doesn't save him from being an evil SOB for doing certain things.
Also, under the law, in order for a person to be punished, they must be able to understand the crime they have committed, and the consequences (hence making mentally ill people unfit for trial). If God goes and makes a bunch of "plans" and then judges us based on our actions during circumstances we aren't capable of understanding (you know, that "God has a plan/has infinite wisdom/works in mysterious ways" crap), then it's unjust punishment.
What gives God the right to set up a universe he created down to the last detail, then punish us for actions based on the circumstances he created? I'd call that entrapment.
Every aspect of God's punishment is completely unfair/illegal from an ethics/legal point of view. What gives God the right to punish when he has no responsibility? The government punishes, but the government has responsibilities. It can't just let people die, for example, and it has to give people a fair trial, not just judgement based on opinion. I would rather be judged by 1,000 idiots, then 1 omnipresent self-righteous a-hole.
God said "Judge not, lest ye be judged" or something like that, so why does that not apply to him? If it's true, if it's right, then it applies to everybody. Once it does not, you don't have "benevolent", you have a tyrant. Why should God not be tried for his crimes? Even being the moral authority (which I completely disagree with, obviously) doesn't make him fundamentally incapable of committing crimes.
(June 7, 2012 at 7:18 am)genkaus Wrote: Now that is a good argument. So, a theistic god can be brought up on the criminal charges, but a deistic god cannot.
Sarcasm Detector: 50% I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please explain the difference.
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."
-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife
-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife
