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A list of all of God's crimes
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
(June 7, 2012 at 5:17 pm)Thor Wrote: So "God" can create people and then wash his hands of it? He can sit back and watch everyone fight and kill each other without getting involved? Would any sane parent allow his children to do battle to the death if they could stop it?

So god is required to be sane now? Given the number of issues he has, I wouldn't say so.

The question before us is not the morality of god's actions - they are immoral. The question is criminality and not every immoral act is criminal.

(June 8, 2012 at 1:36 am)AthiestAtheist Wrote: So what gives God the right assert authority over us? Notice that I said "right". Simply having the power to do something doesn't give one the right to. He can do anything, but that doesn't save him from being an evil SOB for doing certain things.

Also, under the law, in order for a person to be punished, they must be able to understand the crime they have committed, and the consequences (hence making mentally ill people unfit for trial). If God goes and makes a bunch of "plans" and then judges us based on our actions during circumstances we aren't capable of understanding (you know, that "God has a plan/has infinite wisdom/works in mysterious ways" crap), then it's unjust punishment.

What gives God the right to set up a universe he created down to the last detail, then punish us for actions based on the circumstances he created? I'd call that entrapment.

Every aspect of God's punishment is completely unfair/illegal from an ethics/legal point of view. What gives God the right to punish when he has no responsibility? The government punishes, but the government has responsibilities. It can't just let people die, for example, and it has to give people a fair trial, not just judgement based on opinion. I would rather be judged by 1,000 idiots, then 1 omnipresent self-righteous a-hole.

God said "Judge not, lest ye be judged" or something like that, so why does that not apply to him? If it's true, if it's right, then it applies to everybody. Once it does not, you don't have "benevolent", you have a tyrant. Why should God not be tried for his crimes? Even being the moral authority (which I completely disagree with, obviously) doesn't make him fundamentally incapable of committing crimes.

Sarcasm Detector: 50% I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please explain the difference.

Dude, chill. The answer to your last question is detailed in your little rant there. A deistic god does not assert any authority over us, he does not judge us and he does not interfere with our lives. Thus he cannot be brought up on criminal charges.

A theistic god does all of those things. And in acting in that manner, he is acting beyond what would be legally allowed and hence he is acting outside the scope of law.

Ofcourse, his defense counsel can make an argument that any exercise of authority is a result of an implicit consent to exercise authority given by theist, but that would mean that atheists and other non-believers would be outside the scope of that authority and there would be an additional burden to prove that god did exert his authority over them.
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A list of all of God's crimes - by AthiestAtheist - June 3, 2012 at 12:33 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Tobie - June 3, 2012 at 1:00 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Minimalist - June 3, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Thor - June 3, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Cyberman - June 3, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Annik - June 3, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Thor - June 3, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by AthiestAtheist - June 4, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Napoléon - June 3, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Welsh cake - June 3, 2012 at 5:40 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Thor - June 3, 2012 at 5:57 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Godschild - June 3, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by genkaus - June 4, 2012 at 12:36 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Thor - June 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Godschild - June 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Reforged - June 4, 2012 at 10:25 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Anomalocaris - June 5, 2012 at 1:48 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by genkaus - June 5, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Godschild - June 5, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Anomalocaris - June 5, 2012 at 2:03 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by genkaus - June 5, 2012 at 1:41 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Thor - June 5, 2012 at 8:57 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Reforged - June 5, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by AthiestAtheist - June 5, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 5, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by genkaus - June 6, 2012 at 2:47 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Thor - June 6, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by genkaus - June 7, 2012 at 7:18 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Thor - June 7, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by genkaus - June 8, 2012 at 3:54 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Thor - June 8, 2012 at 9:22 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by genkaus - June 9, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by AthiestAtheist - June 10, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by AthiestAtheist - June 9, 2012 at 2:54 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by genkaus - June 10, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by AthiestAtheist - June 8, 2012 at 1:36 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by AthiestAtheist - June 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Anomalocaris - June 10, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Cyberman - June 3, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Angrboda - June 3, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Cyberman - June 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Godschild - June 3, 2012 at 11:32 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Reforged - June 3, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Cyberman - June 3, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Annik - June 4, 2012 at 1:01 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 4, 2012 at 7:30 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by kılıç_mehmet - June 4, 2012 at 9:24 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 4, 2012 at 9:47 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by kılıç_mehmet - June 4, 2012 at 12:20 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Gooders1002 - June 4, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Welsh cake - June 4, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Angrboda - June 4, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Faith No More - June 4, 2012 at 10:54 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Angrboda - June 5, 2012 at 2:28 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Godschild - June 5, 2012 at 2:44 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Faith No More - June 5, 2012 at 8:23 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Anomalocaris - June 6, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Faith No More - June 6, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Thor - June 6, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Bravo - June 7, 2012 at 4:59 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Jackalope - June 7, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 8, 2012 at 5:37 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 8:43 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Jackalope - June 9, 2012 at 8:48 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 9:02 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Jackalope - June 9, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 9:50 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Jackalope - June 9, 2012 at 10:10 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 10:40 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Adjusted Sanity - June 9, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 9, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by The Grand Nudger - June 9, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Cyberman - June 9, 2012 at 11:04 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Deicide73 - June 10, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 10, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by genkaus - June 11, 2012 at 4:20 am
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 10, 2012 at 6:42 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Brian37 - June 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm
RE: A list of all of God's crimes - by Reforged - June 11, 2012 at 7:33 pm

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