RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 10, 2012 at 8:30 am
(This post was last modified: June 10, 2012 at 8:41 am by genkaus.)
(June 9, 2012 at 2:54 am)AthiestAtheist Wrote: Just because what I said was devastating, doesn't make it a rant. I just went through it every way it could be said; God has no basis for his authority, and if he has any, then he also has a responsibility.
And that applies to a deist god, since he neither asserts authority nor does he assumes responsibility.
(June 9, 2012 at 2:54 am)AthiestAtheist Wrote: OK that was just rambling. I have no idea what any of that is about.
Just pointing out a potential defense argument for god's authority sans any responsibility.
(June 9, 2012 at 8:13 pm)Brian37 Wrote: What does being an adult have to do with the god claim?
What god claim? We are talking about god's culpability.
(June 9, 2012 at 8:13 pm)Brian37 Wrote: EVEN as an adult, if you buy a defective product that injures you and you prove in a lawsuit court that the seller was neglectful you can win that lawsuit.
Firstly, the key word here is "selling", which god does not do and secondly, that would lead to a civil lawsuit, not a criminal one.
(June 9, 2012 at 8:13 pm)Brian37 Wrote: But what makes the god claim even worse, is not only were you not asked before you were born if you wanted to go on this ride. The maker of this ride did a shitty job, not only with the natural disasters, but disease and famine and war.
Given that you could not have been asked before you were born and that you still have a choice to opt out of this ride at anytime, this won't even stand in a civil court.
(June 9, 2012 at 8:13 pm)Brian37 Wrote: As we know, nature and evolution are the explanation as to why bad things can happen. But make no sense when someone postulates a manufacturer who does a shitty job and then blames you for the factory it built and the defective products it didn't have to make.
Life is not perfect and never will be, it has both good and bad. But especially when you are talking about mere children, when anyone asserts a god when a child is dying of cancer, it makes me want to puke.
How is this relevant to bringing god up on criminal charges?
(June 9, 2012 at 9:02 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Nice dodge. It isn't a matter of anyone's personal right via government to make any claim they want. Jefferson too was a deist, I valued what he set up for society, but that does not make his, or anyone's pet deity real. The issue is the ability to prove the credibility of what one claims, not their personal rights. I value their right to make any claim they want, but equally valuable is the ability to question.
When you start suggesting "what harm does it do", what you are doing is knowingly or unwittingly supporting the idea of a taboo statues to protect their insecurities.
Religion has done great harm to our species, any form of dogmatism does that, even political dogmatism can be as dangerous to a society as a religion.
The Dark Ages, witch hunts, 9/11/2001, slavery sexism and homophobia are all done under the guise of religion which has access and influence on governments. No one should suggest religion can be pragmatically outlawed, but the only way to make the changes to improve humanity and get away from those destructive behaviors, is the ability to question. If our species never questioned social norms our species never would have left the caves. We would still have theocracies in the west, still have slavery, and even still today religion promotes homophobia which needs to be questioned.
Now you are just moving the goalposts and getting away from the discussion. The issue here is not "existence of god" or proving that claim, the issue is "if god exists, what crimes can he be charged with". The examples you gave were carried out in god's name, but not by him or by his command (atleast, unless proven otherwise). The idea of religion being criminal and god being criminal are two different issues.
