(June 10, 2012 at 6:16 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Who ...this guy? Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman-Anglican PriestHe was a convert, much like myself.
You can't be serious!
(June 10, 2012 at 11:50 am)Thor Wrote: Really? Because I've had many other believers tell me that non-belief is a one way ticket to eternity in a firepit.Maybe you did and maybe you didn't. I've had atheists tell me a lot of things you might disagree with. I can only speak for the majority of Christians here in that no, non-belief is not a "one way ticket to eternity in a firepit" or whatever you are on about.
You guys can't even be consistent in your bullshit.
(June 10, 2012 at 6:12 am)Zen Badger Wrote: In that regard you have lots of unfounded beliefs, but no actual knowledge.I beg to differ, but in either case, we are talking about Heaven within the context of Christianity (done many times on both sides in this forum and even within your own post), so this is a bit of a non sequitur.
Quote:Really? because according to your theology god will forgive anything, as long as you are prepared to ask for forgiveness and accept jesus. So the only unforgivable sin is unbelief, doesn't matter how good a life you've lived as an atheist, you're going to hell.This is flatly wrong, any sin against the Holy Spirit precludes forgiveness (presumption, despair, obstinacy in sin, envy of another's spiritual good, impugning of the known truth, and final impenitence--not so much, as some atheists think, yelling about the Holy Spirit on youtube
), and as such the only ticket to hell as such would be final impenitence. Anyone who strives only for the absolute goodness and always seeks out God, never losing Hope or Charity, can also be saved.
Quote:On the other hand hand you can be a murdering rapist all your life but accept jeebus and you're in heaven.No. What does "accept jeebus" even mean here? Even Satan believes in Jesus. Assuming you mean he goes through a perfect contrition: that is, he comes to hate any and all sin no matter how small, especially his own; not out of fear of Hell or want of Heaven but merely because it is contrary to God, who is all good; with a firm resolution to make a confession and do penance, yes, he may go to Heaven if his perfect contrition is intense enough.
Otherwise, if he simply makes a confession for any other reason, if his contrition is less than perfect, he will probably have to do a lot of time in Purgatory to say the least to remove temporal effects of sin (though you can also remove them via penance and suffering on Earth).
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
