(June 10, 2012 at 11:11 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Which is to say you're telling us what the official catholic dogma says - and that is not necessarily what "most christians" actually believe.
This is not to say that I know any better than you, I don't, but it takes a lot of hubris to claim to speak to how much official dogma 1.2 billion people actually accept.
I know you're aware of this thread, so it shouldn't be too difficult for you to grasp my meaning.
Most Christians are Catholic. I mean, sure maybe none of them accept this teaching or whatever, but I think pointing out Catholic beliefs is a bit more substantial than "a lot of Christians I met think X".
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Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
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