RE: Science + Creation
June 11, 2012 at 5:21 pm
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2012 at 5:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
-ToEbNS, The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is an issue that very neatly summarizes the churches ability to change it's mind. Either the See has been convinced by evidence or their interpretation of Genesis has changed over time (it's actually both of the above). This did not stop the See from inserting it's own absurdities but it's a baby step in the direction of leaving ignorance behind, so good for yall. Which, if tken as the only example of the Vatican changing it's mind (which it is not) would lead me to ask why you felt that it didn't? Why you felt so strongly that it didn't that you're next response was "No it doesn't". Well, Aiza, what do you think all of those councils and decrees were all about? Do you think that Catholicism sprang from the loins of St. Peter fully formed in is current state?
-I'm hung up on the platitude you offered, yes. It's meaningless, and completely unimportant unless you can demonstrate that it exists, and that if it does exist,that it is somehow important. Nevertheless you leveraged it in service of a criticism of protestants, and while I don't really like protestants any more than I like catholics, I'm pretty quick to defend the faith of any given one of you from the faith of the other. Please don't worry, I'm not a nice guy, I just like to watch the disparate groups of christian superstitions argue against each other.
-Yeah, the catholic encyclopedia is a great resource for catholic beliefs, I didn't ask you about catholic beliefs though did I, and this is the second time I've had to mention that. Sure sure, Saints aren't demi-gods at all, they just do things demi-gods might do, they share names with demi-gods, and gods, and are venerated in the same places that those pagan gods were venerated. Still, I let everyone claim their own fairy tales, I wouldn't want to steal yours from you and claim them for anyone else, so you can have your saints.
-The word "Pope" was, in it's own form, but the office wasn't. That's not how the early church viewed the bishop of Rome, and the importance of the bishop of Rome is tied to the importance of the city of Rome itself, not some magical story about a demi-god and his demi-god..er, saintly buddies. Yeah..speaking of, hows about those rumblings about the Petrine forgery btw, are we still pretending that they don't exist? (see, I can tell you've goggled it now) Your successor rationalization was handled before you ever posted it.
-What what? You didn't know that saints had magical powers, and that magic followed them everywhere they went, even after their deaths? Hell, it's a requirement...from your very own link on cannonization.
""Saint" (contracted "St" or "S.") To be canonized a saint, at least two miracles must have been performed after death."
I love the "at least bit" implying that any miracle had ever been formed in the first place is rich, but making the explicit claim that some of these magical people had performed multiple miracles, or that multiple miracles somehow attached to them after their deaths had occurred..well....that's beyond the pale. Wizards they were, and wizards they remain.
(I'm starting to agree with Shell, willfully obtuse.)
(Ah, as a small PS, what I said about not liking catholics isn't entirely true....I do like your gravitation towards paganism and magic, especially over those dreary protestant bastards)
-I'm hung up on the platitude you offered, yes. It's meaningless, and completely unimportant unless you can demonstrate that it exists, and that if it does exist,that it is somehow important. Nevertheless you leveraged it in service of a criticism of protestants, and while I don't really like protestants any more than I like catholics, I'm pretty quick to defend the faith of any given one of you from the faith of the other. Please don't worry, I'm not a nice guy, I just like to watch the disparate groups of christian superstitions argue against each other.
-Yeah, the catholic encyclopedia is a great resource for catholic beliefs, I didn't ask you about catholic beliefs though did I, and this is the second time I've had to mention that. Sure sure, Saints aren't demi-gods at all, they just do things demi-gods might do, they share names with demi-gods, and gods, and are venerated in the same places that those pagan gods were venerated. Still, I let everyone claim their own fairy tales, I wouldn't want to steal yours from you and claim them for anyone else, so you can have your saints.
-The word "Pope" was, in it's own form, but the office wasn't. That's not how the early church viewed the bishop of Rome, and the importance of the bishop of Rome is tied to the importance of the city of Rome itself, not some magical story about a demi-god and his demi-god..er, saintly buddies. Yeah..speaking of, hows about those rumblings about the Petrine forgery btw, are we still pretending that they don't exist? (see, I can tell you've goggled it now) Your successor rationalization was handled before you ever posted it.
-What what? You didn't know that saints had magical powers, and that magic followed them everywhere they went, even after their deaths? Hell, it's a requirement...from your very own link on cannonization.
""Saint" (contracted "St" or "S.") To be canonized a saint, at least two miracles must have been performed after death."
I love the "at least bit" implying that any miracle had ever been formed in the first place is rich, but making the explicit claim that some of these magical people had performed multiple miracles, or that multiple miracles somehow attached to them after their deaths had occurred..well....that's beyond the pale. Wizards they were, and wizards they remain.
(I'm starting to agree with Shell, willfully obtuse.)
(Ah, as a small PS, what I said about not liking catholics isn't entirely true....I do like your gravitation towards paganism and magic, especially over those dreary protestant bastards)
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