Facing the Morally Bad Future

[Godscreated]

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@ FallentoReason I've been reading the conversation between yourself and gomtuu77. If you don't mind I have a question for you, do you still believe in the God of scriptures? The reason I ask is this, I do not believe I've ever seen you write that you do or do not believe in Him. I am one who believes that a man can choose to walk away from God after he experiences Him, gomtuu77 gave the very reason from Hebrews, the passage says one falls away, it doesn't say one chooses to quite believing. I see it like this, one starts drinking and finds out that it makes them feel good, so they keep it up for the high. Then the hangovers start and every time after drinking one has to deal with the hangover, drink, hangover, drink, hangover, then one says if I stop so do the hangovers. When the one does stop, they no longer have to deal with those hangovers, they know that if they drink again it will feel good, they do not deny the fact they have learned, drinking feels good, they just do not like the hangovers, so drinking is out of their life.
God can be the same way sometimes, when one loses sight of who He really is, one becomes weary and after awhile will either leave the faith or reconnect with who God is.

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That's actually a really good analogy. I have no problems in talking theology and discussing the God of the Bible, but I do not currently believe in said God.

With respect to the analogy, I see it as this: people insist that this drink exists and you will get these effects. I have found out for myself that the drink isn't actually a literal thing. They have been misled to believe this drink is a) a real thing and b) that it functions as they say.

I'm puzzled, since you have given up your belief as you say, how is it that you can say you were a true Christian. As far as you are concerned now there's no God, so how is it that anyone can be a Christian in your view if as you say, there's no God. I can't seem to understand what you're thinking, this is probably my fault, I do not know how to look at this situation other than the black and white of it. You call your friends Christians, yet you can not really believe they are, if there is no Christ there are no Christians, you believe they are wrong in their thinking/belief and yet you fail to let your friends know what you believe about them, is this truly fair to them. I know personally that would not set well with me, but I'm a lot older than you and your friends, and through the experiences of life know not to get bent out of shape if a friend told me he quit believing, younger folks haven't always acquired a sense of rational. I'm not saying that you should tell your friends that is a choice only you can make.

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Another thing I do not know many Christians who claim the Bible to be a history book, I know plenty that know it as the greatest love story ever told, that includes me. Many places that use to be thought of as only existing in the scripture have been found in archaeological digs, and because of things like this some talk about scriptures like a history book. Certainly the scriptures give a time line down through history, however this time line was counting down to the arrival of Jesus and the wonderful gift of salvation through Him for all of mankind.

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I agree. It is just assumed that these pieces of paper were recounting historical events. From the research I've done, not only do I believe Jesus wasn't a real person, but I've actually gone one further and found what they are trying to tell us and what the Gospels really are. This is what I mean by my explanation of the analogy. People keep telling me the Gospels are something but I know for myself now that they have been mislead. The Gospels aren't meant to be taken literally, they do not function that way.

So how do the Gospels function?
You say you were preparing yourself to be a defender of the scriptures, did you take into account the OT, or only the NT. There are prophecies in the OT that were actually penned hundreds of years before Christ's birth, and they were fulfilled to the letter, some maybe Jesus could have brought about Himself, others like not having a broken bone in His body. After the beating He took and then being crucified, the Roman soldiers broke the legs of those crucified so they would die before night. If Jesus were just another man there is no way He could have prevented this from happening. For what ever reason the Father was not going to allow it.