A person on another forum was mean to me!

[Shell B]

Think of my post with more generality than that. You're letting your emotions get the best of you.

So, when you said that I was gleeful about a man's murder with absolutely nothing to lead you to that conclusion, which part was I supposed to take "with generality?" I didn't misunderstand you. You are backtracking and then trying to demean my reaction because you had no recourse to make the comment in the first place. The appropriate thing for you to do here is to admit that there was simply nothing in my post to indicate that I was happy about a man dying. I assure you, I'm not being emotional about it all. I'm being precise and trying to follow a conversation that keeps going off on "But, but the RIGHTS! THE HUMAN RIGHTS!" arguments.

Well, ultimately, it was the death at the hands of another man. The court system would deem it manslaughter.

Actually, he wasn't charged with anything, according to that article. He was investigated and let go. A court deemed it self defense. Gosh, I suppose you should have read that before saying that.

By that logic, gays have no right to marry because the law doesn't give it to them.

Actually, that is true. Gay people do not have a right to marry in areas where it is illegal. Should they have that right? Sure. Do they? By definition, no.

There was something in the Declaration that always stuck out to me: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

And yet, the founding fathers upheld the laws of execution of the time. Besides, the Declaration of Independence is not an outline of the rights of the people of the United States. It was nothing more than a declaration to the king and parliament outlining why the people had chosen to rebel. The document you are looking for that, you know, has people's rights actually outlined as according to U.S. law, is the Constitution.

Throwing all of that out the window, my rights don't come from a piece of paper.

Certainly not that piece of paper.

That doesn't make it right. Just because you can justify it doesn't automatically make it correct. I think given the same course of action, he would've stopped or hit him in a way that didn't kill the rapist. It doesn't make it right just because the child being raped was his daughter. As a test, would you advocate the victims/parents of victims to go out and murder their attackers? I should hope not. I would hope you'd tell them to calm down. Now, when a person does murder their attacker, we understand, we empathize, we even say "what a relief!, ect", but that doesn't make it right.

Not if you're so judgmental as to analyze the acts of a person defending his child from an attack with no intent of murder. No, it doesn't make it right. I mean, how could people elevate themselves above this poor man if they didn't have so many convoluted ideas about rights to ponder. Fuck this man's right to defend himself. He was wrong. *yawn*

I really think you're missing the point I'm trying to make.

Well, judging by the fact that I was directed to take a comment directed at me with "generality," I would hardly be surprised if that were the case. It's kind of easy to miss a point that's got an odd angle and is sharp at the wrong end.

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WHY the father did what, Brian? He didn't murder the guy. I get this when confronted with a revenge scenario. That is definitely murder according to the law. Beating a man to stop an assault and having it result in death is not, in this case. From what I read, the man hit him a few times about the head and neck. In most cases, a few whacks isn't going to end in death. I'm sure rage contributed, but that doesn't mean the man killed him in a rage. The point is, he stopped beating him and called an ambulance. He did not murder the guy. His defense of his daughter resulted in the man's death. There is a very distinct difference.

Don't play semantic games with me. I already said SANE PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT HE DID.

Oh, for fuck's sake. I probably should have known better than to speak up in this thread. The word rape or murder comes up and it becomes a slanging match between the "we're all born with rights" and the "kill 'em if you get the chance" crowds. Come anywhere in the middle and you get labeled as the opposition and people start shouting at you in all caps and taking innocuous questions regarding what the man actually fucking did as "semantics games," which is funny coming from the dude who went on a tangent about the word respect not a week ago. I'm going to start avoiding threads with certain keywords, as they seem to unlock the asylum doors whenever those keywords pop up on AF.