I can feel your anger

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

To some degree that is the issue I have with Stephen Hawkings' presenting it.

Then go argue with Hawkings. Send us copies. Heh.

He hasn't defined his argument in a terrible logical fashion, yet presents it as viable option.

You wouldn't know logical if it bent you over and fucked you in the ass.

No one seemingly will dare dispute what's he said, particularly given it's in the realm of theoretical physics.

So what? So you come strawmanning it up at us. What a fucktard.

And as it's in this realm it becomes almost untouchable, almost an element of faith has crept into it.

That is your own bullshit projection.

I am not a believer, despite many may consider I am, I just play devil's advocate.

We already know you are a lying sack of shit. If you in fact ARE playing self-appointed fucking devils advocate, that makes you worse that the run of the mill creotard that actually believes it. Did anyone here ask you to play devil's advocate? Did anyone call for a fucktard to step up and play devil's fucking advocate? You can stuff devil's advocate right up your ass along with all those fire ants.

I will look over your link, I find it to be the strongest argument for a first cause.

Great endorsement coming from someone who wouldn't know logic and reason if it surprise-buttfucked him.

Probably the biggest issue I have is some atheists seem to consider they possess the ability to assess whether a 'creator' is an actual option.

WHAT atheists? Go argue with them, then, asswipe, istead of trolling here with your ridiculous strawmen.

I see no reason to believe this to be true, and even more strangely science is a common used warcry used to discount a creator.

That is the sort of bullshit that tips your hands as an ignorant theist pretending to be agnostic.

Why? I have no idea. The best that has come to light is science has found no evidence of a guy in a beard and robes floating about in space,

And that, as well. Theists have done everything they can to hide their made-up sky fairy in places where it can't be found. Yet they claim that it can and has appeared to certain people. We can read between the lines that this is a pathological bullshit shell game. Same with you.

or as come to explain how some things occur (e.g. the commonly used lightening) therefore science will eventually explain everything including the non-existence of a god.

If you can find someone who claims that, then go argue with them.

I can understand why you require the definition of a god, however, the issue with this is it presupposes that a creator must be knowable, for if it is unknowable it cannot exist.

We can tell that you are making the shit up as you go along. Part of why we know that is because you keep trying to hide it in places where it can't be found.

For all intents and purposes, unknowable may equate to being rendered without any purpose, however, this does not discount it by virtue of being unknowable. This is a reason why the atheist position baffles me.

There is no "atheist position". All A-Theist means is that we don't believe in your made-up imaginary sky fairy. We don't have to claim it doesn't exist. Nor do we have to prove it doesn't exist. All we do is call your bluff.

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It's scary thing when people believe that the metaphysical belief of a wheelcheered scientist is fact.I'm still unsure wheher it's due to science being used as a religious replacement by some people. The lack of wisdom by those who supposedly hold a superior intellect is also scary.

If all you need to affirm that as the universe has a total energy of 0, and that causality is dismissed as time did not exist then it's sufficient to confirm your own theories? Really? Are these your trump cards? Just admit you have no idea otherwise your persepctive is as warped as any other fundamentalists.