RE: I can feel your anger
July 4, 2012 at 6:44 pm
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2012 at 6:49 pm by Selliedjoup.)
(July 4, 2012 at 1:03 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(July 4, 2012 at 12:34 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: To some degree that is the issue I have with Stephen Hawkings' presenting it. He hasn't defined his argument in a terrible logical fashion, yet presents it as viable option.
It's quite possible that you lack the background to fully grasp the argument. That's not a criticism - as I myself do not. Half of the stuff he says goes over my head, the other half goes WAY over my head.
(July 4, 2012 at 12:34 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: No one seemingly will dare dispute what's he said, particularly given it's in the realm of theoretical physics. And as it's in this realm it becomes almost untouchable, almost an element of faith has crept into it.
Quote:I doubt I would have to look very hard to find other theoretical physicists that disagree with him on at least minor points, if not major ones.
That is the problem, you're looking to assess it solely on the basis of verifiable evidence. This is your belief system/worldview/whatever you want to call it. This consists of an assumption which means only that which has proven to exist does, anything which has no evidence does not exist. I realise you may not believe this, but the practical application of it equates to be the same thing.
There are no new arguments from either side. To understand someone's persepctive I think you need to take step back and look at what their worldview is, and any conclusions they draw (atheism, agnosticism, theism) is a result of this worldview. Focussing on specific points, premises, etc is, misleading and only going to result in trolling arguments.
I am so sick of seeing Stephen Hawkings' belief being proposed as fact, because Stephen Hawkings' said it. The reason why I began with this argument, is this is where is usually ends, so I thought I'd just cut to the chase.
(July 4, 2012 at 8:30 am)Ace Otana Wrote:(July 2, 2012 at 10:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Wheelcheered?
He probably has something against people in wheel chairs. I'll put him in one if that's the case.
He doesn't seem a very pleasant or very well liked person. Probably not even offline.
It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up getting decked at some point.
Nothing more impressive than internet tough guy talk from a guy called "Ace".
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