I can feel your anger

[CliveStaples]

You should have pointed that out, then. Because you did not. And if it was instead hidden in that needlessly convoluted precursor that I did not understand, then perhaps instead of dancing around and trying to sound clever you should have just said what you just said, which is a lot more coherent and much less abstract.

That 'needlessly convoluted precursor' wasn't me trying to sound clever. It's called logic. If you don't like it, then maybe you should go get yourself a juice box and sit at the kiddie table.

No, that's a totalitarian desire. Secularism is where all religions are given no preferential treatment or consideration. Hence why I hang the blame on the neck of totalitarianism, because totalitarianism is to blame.

...wait, what? That's what you think 'secular' means? Can you give a citation?

Unbelief = I do not believe.

Then "unbelief" is unnecessary. All you need is "belief" and the negation operator.

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Secular means without religion/religious belief. No interference from religion. So you can't really state 'secularism' as a religion if by definition secular means without such a thing.

Of course. My point was that he was using 'religion' in a non-theological sense (a 'cult of personality', or some kind of anthropological/sociological notion of "religion"). I was just ribbing him because most atheists (e.g., you) insist on using it only in a theological sense ("Atheism isn't a religion!!").

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In the spirit of the thread: I hate how theists, when challenged about the atrocities committed under the banner of religion, by God or in his name, start accusing atheists of the same atrocities. Can a theist please cite one instance where even an atheist leader (Or anyone else, for that matter) specifically slaughtered people in the name of atheism? I'm not talking about the number of religious people killed, I'm talking about a clear agenda that was aimed at religious people only. Now, even if you can produce such a document, written in their own words, can you explain how it negates the actions of your brethren/god? Yes, people would still commit atrocities in the absence of religion, but let's take away the divine endorsement and incentive for them to justify it.

Can an atheist please cite one instance where even a theist leader specifically slaughtered people in the name of theism? I can think of people who killed in the name of Allah, of Jehovah, of Jesus, but none in the name of theism in general.