RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:04 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2012 at 2:04 pm by CliveStaples.)
(July 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Ah I see, you were trying to suggest that the statements given were the sum total of every belief a person might hold, well, that does change things, sure. Still doesnt mean that the statements themselves have anything to do with a god, even if the person making them is an atheist. IOW, you could characterize the person as an atheist, but the statements...not so much.
So let me take a crack at drawing a distinction then:
Everyone who uses a theistic justification must be a theist. That is, if B is the motivating set of beliefs for some action, and B is Theistic (includes or implies "At least one god exists"), then anyone who is motivated by B must be a theist.
On the other hand, merely because a justification is atheist doesn't mean that everyone who uses it must be an atheist. That is, if B is the motivating set of beliefs for some action, and B is Atheistic (does not include or imply "At least one god exists"), then merely because a person is motivated by B doesn't mean that the person must be an atheist.
For example: "I robbed him because I wanted his money." This is an atheistic justification, in the sense that "I wanted his money" and the implicit claim "I am entitled to take what I want" do not include or imply "At least one god exists." But that doesn't mean the robber was an atheist; the robber might very well be a theist, but could have used an atheistic justification. Like if a Christian looks both ways before he crosses the road, it's not because of his faith; it's because of (atheistic) common sense.
(July 6, 2012 at 2:01 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Nope, just you and the complete nonsense you spout mainly.
Well, if logic is nonsense to you, then I guess atheism isn't the Bastion of Reason it's cracked up to be.
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”