RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm by CliveStaples.)
(July 6, 2012 at 2:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: One could conceivably believe in god while simultaneously being a secular humanist, just as one example.
Hmm. I was under the impression that secular humanists specifically rejected the existence of God. But I'm not an expert and my memory's hazy.
Quote:A nihilist might believe in a god, while also maintaining that it doesn't actually matter if there is a god, or that the concept of god is itself just as real as the concept of self -which is to say not at all, though still on equal footing.
Nihilists can't have any beliefs; in particular, they can't have a belief in the existence of a god.
Quote:One could also be a naturalist and believe that in some far-flung universe unconnected to this one a god operates.
My understanding was that Naturalism holds that only material objects exist, which precludes the existence of god.
Quote:I think you might mean to say that some/most/all secular humanists, nihilists, and naturalists are also atheists. Of course, they don't have to be.
Again, I'd dispute your definitions of those systems if I cared to, but that's not really on topic.
What is on topic is when a set of motivating beliefs can be said to be atheistic. Care to go first on this issue?
(July 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: More shell game. You are trying to sneak your idea of atheism being a belief system in through the back door. When are you going to quit qith the dishonesty? That and all this fast-talking tomfuckery isn't supposed to be the domain of your devil-figure. Why the fuck are you wallowing in it?
I've said it like five times, I don't think atheism is a belief system. I think Atheism, like Theism, is a class of belief systems. I guess you don't understand what that means, or something.
If I wanted to argue that atheism is a belief system, I'd argue it. There's no need for 'sneaking'. It's an internet forum. Who would I be hiding from??
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”