(July 6, 2012 at 2:04 pm)CliveStaples Wrote:(July 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Ah I see, you were trying to suggest that the statements given were the sum total of every belief a person might hold, well, that does change things, sure. Still doesnt mean that the statements themselves have anything to do with a god, even if the person making them is an atheist. IOW, you could characterize the person as an atheist, but the statements...not so much.
So let me take a crack at drawing a distinction then:
Everyone who uses a theistic justification must be a theist. That is, if B is the motivating set of beliefs for some action, and B is Theistic (includes or implies "At least one god exists"), then anyone who is motivated by B must be a theist.
On the other hand, merely because a justification is atheist doesn't mean that everyone who uses it must be an atheist. That is, if B is the motivating set of beliefs for some action, and B is Atheistic (does not include or imply "At least one god exists"), then merely because a person is motivated by B doesn't mean that the person must be an atheist.
For example: "I robbed him because I wanted his money." This is an atheistic justification, in the sense that "I wanted his money" and the implicit claim "I am entitled to take what I want" do not include or imply "At least one god exists." But that doesn't mean the robber was an atheist; the robber might very well be a theist, but could have used an atheistic justification. Like if a Christian looks both ways before he crosses the road, it's not because of his faith; it's because of (atheistic) common sense.
(July 6, 2012 at 2:01 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Nope, just you and the complete nonsense you spout mainly.
Well, if logic is nonsense to you, then I guess atheism isn't the Bastion of Reason it's cracked up to be.
Common sense is "Mu", which means neither this nor that". Are you ever going to fucking grow up and ditch this black/white bullshit?