RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 3:05 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2012 at 3:07 pm by CliveStaples.)
(July 6, 2012 at 2:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No, Clive, the statements themselves aren't "just as atheist" as anything. Didn't we discuss this not but two or three posts ago? If those statements comprised the entirety of someones "beliefs" then that person would be an atheist, but that doesn't make the statements in and of themselves "atheistic" statements, nor does an atheist making a statement cause it to be "atheistic" anymore than a theist making a statement causes it to be "theistic".
Oh, wow.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wow.
Nowhere was I talking about a statement being atheist because an atheist said it. That never happened anywhere.
We've gone over this. A set of beliefs is atheistic if it does not include the belief, "At least one god exists." So the belief system {"Dogs are nice"} is atheistic; so is {"Murder is wrong"}. So is {"Murder is good"}.
And the belief system {"God exists", "Dogs are nice"} is theistic, as is {"God exists", "Murder is good"}.
We've been over all that a million times. I already proved that the definition I used to arrive at these conclusions is equivalent to the definition I was given by you guys a few pages ago.
So unless there's a better definition for "atheist", then it's demonstrably true that if a motivating set of beliefs M lacks (and does not imply) the proposition "At least one god exists", then M is atheistic.
(July 6, 2012 at 3:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(July 6, 2012 at 2:59 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: I don't find this very convincing. People don't look to theism for a cornerstone either. Nobody's actions are informed by the mere proposition, "God exists".
WWJD?
That's more than "Jesus exists". That's "Jesus exists, and did things, and you should live your life according to how he lived, according to a translation of the Bible that was sufficiently accurately copied/translated." That's waaaaaay more than "At least one god exists".
(July 6, 2012 at 3:03 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: I am not here to teach you how tp wipe your ass, boy. Random statements regurgitated on the forum floor do not constitute a belief system.
I am astonished at the depth of your disingenuousness.
Okay, done with your trolling. Ignored!
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
