(July 8, 2012 at 4:45 am)CliveStaples Wrote:(July 8, 2012 at 4:43 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Ok, I think I get it now. You believe the past is practically non-existent. To this I say look at your watch for 5 minutes. You can then be absolutely confident that this memory of yourself looking at your watch wasn't some random memory implanted into you from who knows where, but that it was an historical truth that really did happen in the past.
No, because your memory of having looked at your watch for 5 minutes might itself only be an instant old. You're assuming that your memories are actually accurate. How do you know that?
(July 8, 2012 at 4:35 am)cato123 Wrote: Clive,
Hello, I'm Cato. With the evidence I have I can claim that I posted to this forum before you joined; therefore, I submit that my historic postings relative to you are real and did not poof into existence with the appearance of age at the time you chose to grace me/us with your presence at AF.
How do you know that you actually have that evidence? How do you know that your memories of that evidence are accurate? How do you know that you didn't come into existence three seconds ago with false memories?
Quote:To put it another way...
If you are sincere with your 'appearance of age' shit, you must adhere to the idea that your mother and grandmother were non-existents before your birth and only came into existence at the moment of your birth with the appearance of age.
No, I don't even have to think that I was born. That's just a memory I have, which is just a result of my brain being in a particular physiochemical state. How do you know that you and your brain didn't come into existence three seconds ago in your particular arrangement of physiochemical states?
Quote:At this point you can argue that nothing existed five minutes ago and we were all created (with common memory of what we call history) five minutes ago. Which is more likely? There was existence and history before us or we were all just created with appearance of age parading around as history?
How are you deciding those probabilities? Is it based on evidence? How do you know what evidence is? How do you that your understanding of the evidence is actually accurate?
It seems like not many people take time to actually question their assumptions.
How high can we stack the shit? Does stacking shit actually require shit producers? Or, can we imagine shit into existence?
Despite your ability to parse my reply into sections and create argument, you never answered my question so I'll break it out in a manner that even a person with a post graduate degree in mathematics could understand:
Which is more likely?
1. History actually exists despite our lack of participation in events before our existence. OR...
2. We are all poofed into existence three seconds ago ingrained with a common faked history implanted; including our previous posts.
I will assume that you will choose number two in order to be consistent. Then let's assume that I show up at your location in ten minutes and fuck you in the ass with a jackhammer. Three seconds after that you look up to me looking for an answer. Your ass is the size of a small swimming pool and I'm standing nearby with a jackhammer; your entrails dripping from the end.
As you shove both of your fists in your ass to stop the bleeding I simply state that it never happened. We were both just created and your ass wound is nothing more than a consequence of your implanted memory. You can believe this all you want to, but your ass won't soon stop bleeding.
