RE: I am atheist,but I do not like science.
July 8, 2012 at 5:33 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2012 at 5:35 pm by Whateverist.)
(July 8, 2012 at 1:57 pm)CliveStaples Wrote:(July 8, 2012 at 12:58 pm)whateverist Wrote: As a strict matter of logic, lots of patently absurd possibilities exist. You would have us realize this in order to suggest we question the possibility of all evidence based reasoning? Or am I missing your point?
No, I'm asking you to be consistent. If you believe that every belief must be justified with evidence, then what is your evidence for the belief "every belief must be justified with evidence"?
If you don't have evidence, then you're inconsistent. If you have evidence, I'd love to hear it.
I don't make the claim that every belief must be justified by evidence. We demonstrably do use all sorts of beliefs all the time without bothering to check their evidentiary credentials, many times we do not even consciously note our possession of such beliefs and yet we still put them to effective use.
I would only say that anyone who wishes me to give up what I believe to make way for adopting what they believe, is going to be held to a higher standard than either one of us holds ourselves to. Yes, they'll need to offer me some evidence supported reasons or just keep their beliefs to themselves.
(July 8, 2012 at 1:57 pm)CliveStaples Wrote:(July 8, 2012 at 12:58 pm)whateverist Wrote: The little closed loops of logic only caricaturize reality by exposing the implication of language. Formal logic is such a fragile and limited tool. Is there any reason to think that examining the implication of speech will lead to a better understanding of what that speech is about, the world for example?
"Formal logic is a fragile and limited tool."
Wow. I actually got an atheist to criticize the use of logic!
Sure didn't take any arm twisting, did it? I'm a devotee of plain language. If it can't be said simply without jargon it probably isn't worth much. I thought it was you who prefered reducing language to well ordered prepositions. I think I'll take the credit here for bad mouthing logic.
For the record I am primarily agnostic with an atheist bent. What's your orientation? Which fights do you have a dog in?





