RE: Thoughts on Atheism (and a plea to the religious)
July 8, 2012 at 11:22 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2012 at 11:25 pm by FallentoReason.)
Quote:(July 8, 2012 at 2:05 pm)CliveStaples Wrote:(July 8, 2012 at 12:50 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: No more mental backflips to avoid the questions.
An observation and a memory. They evidence matches up. Prove to me that doesn't mean a thing.
Right, all you're proving is that if the memory and the experience match up, then the memory and the experience match up. That's obvious.
What I'm asking is different. What I'm asking is how you can know that your memory is accurate.
How you know p is true is different than whether p is true.
Quote:You keep asserting that I'm hopeless and can't show anything for my belief. I tell you the evidence is very much real and out there. Then you subtly try and change the question and pretend like that's what you didn't ask.
My belief is justified. Show me why I can't believe the data otherwise you've got nothing.
You haven't given any data. All you've said is that if the memory of an experience corresponds to the experience, then the memory is accurate. But that was never in dispute.
You haven't given any evidence that your memory is reliable.
Quote:Two, and just to push you on this point, how do you know that the evidence exists?
Because the experiments have been done.
How do you know that the experiments have been done?
Quote:Let me ask you, what happens if I put mentos into a Coke bottle?
Depends on what's in the Coke bottle.
Quote:Ok, let's go there. My argument is circular. What changes?
Well, it means that you've admitted that you haven't supported your belief that your memory is accurate.
Quote:P.s. I'll just note that you still haven't answered me in the other thread. I'll just leave this right here for you:
Okay.
Please... GET TO THE POINT.
I wasted most of yesterday seeing where this is going to go, but so far all you have done is ask 'but how do you know'? When I then ask you how does any of this work for your Jesus, you just shrug your shoulders... genius.
So what's the implication of all this? Convert me. I dare you.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle