(July 15, 2012 at 1:53 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Welsh Cake, a person telling me he has no knowledge that we have free-will or even believes we have no free-will, is not a proof to me, nor should it be, that I have no knowledge of free-will.Look sunshine, you're the one making claims here. Acknowledging a lack of knowledge is not a claim to knowledge.
Quote:I making analogy with this, because, it seems to me, Atheists treat the issue of God with special pleading.How is a lack of belief special pleading?
Quote:However, when it comes to God, they are upset at believers believing.So long as it doesn't hurt my health or wealth I couldn't give a flying shit what you believe in.
Quote:It's a overwhelming common belief, most believers can't seem to recall when they ever didn't believe in God, yet you guys are asserting with confidence, there is no such knowledge, and that the onus is upon the believers to bring some rigorously sound argument to prove God.Yes the burden of proof is on you. Don't like it? Well put up or shut up. Prove the god you believe exists once and for all, or go away.
Quote:When you state things like "What is spirituality?", well believers understandStop. I asked you a simple fucking question.
And you're telling me you can't or won't answer it? Seriously?
Quote:Just as believers shouldn't impose their belief on God towards disbelievers, neither should disbelievers impose their disbelief.Yeah that "agree to disagree" bullcrap isn't going to fly here, not when you drag god into an ontological/epistemic dispute.