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Both groups feel the other side is dishonest?
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RE: Both groups feel the other side is dishonest?
When you make it a label issue, yes side vs side always thinks the other is being dishonest.

But, when you look at evolution, evolution is not dependent on getting facts right, but only dependent on getting to the point of reproduction in order to create that "safety in numbers".

The theist is being honest when they say they believe, but with what we know now about the nature of reality, they are being dishonest with themselves, sometimes willfully or unwittingly.

Beyond labels we have enough evidence throughout our species history of people making up gods/deities/super natural. What no modern claimant of any tradition has is evidence that thoughts can occur without a material process. I am sure they truly believe that, but they are in complete denial.
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RE: Both groups feel the other side is dishonest? - by Brian37 - July 17, 2012 at 8:30 am

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