I think the notion of honesty here goes beyond merely whether one believes this in one's own mind, and extends to the more nebulous area of "would one have believed this in one's own mind if one simply seeks the truth using reasonable methods as might be gleamed from one's environment, and are impartial to what the truth thus discovered is".
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Both groups feel the other side is dishonest?
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