(September 7, 2009 at 1:48 am)Arcanus Wrote:(September 6, 2009 at 6:04 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I dont think thats true. They bomb the abortion clinics BECAUSE of their beliefs. Without the belief, there would be no bombing.
I know they bomb abortion clinics because of their beliefs. My point is that those beliefs are not Christian beliefs because that religion "not only does not condone such acts but in fact condemns it." Pro-life beliefs are consistent with Christianity, but violence against abortion providers does not follow from pro-life beliefs. Rather, it follows from a mandate for violence that goes far beyond simply being against abortion. Murderous violence and terrorist activity follows from their beliefs, certainly—but those beliefs are not Christian beliefs. Christianity neither commands nor condones such appalling acts; more than this, it contradicts them quite diametrically.
Ah so they are not True Christians ™ ... as I have already said to you that is a variant of the No True Scotsman fallacy (well actually it's pretty much spot on). And as for Christianity being pro-life ... did you ever ask your OT god about that? Indeed even your Messiah did not appear to fully advocate pacifism ... he (if he even existed) apparently said he came to bring a sword and not peace, to set father against son, mother against daughter, insisted that his followers love him more than their own kin:
Quote:The Christian Messiah (on the basis of Christianity's own scriptures) threatened to destroy entire cities (destruction worse than that of Sodom & Gomorrah) because they lacked belief in him (Matthew 11:20-24, Luke 10:10-15). The Christian Messiah said that he came not to send peace on earth but to bring a sword (Matthew 10:34). The Christian Messiah , in Matthew 10, went on to say that he had come to turn man against father, daughter against mother and more besides!
Are these kind of words we should be paying attention to about your Messiah? Are these the words that go right to the heart of a person? Are these the kind of words one might expect from someone we might be encouraged to emulate? Is that the kind of pro-life stance you think we should all be adopting?
Oh I'm sure you'll find a way to duck out of that ... your type always does!
Kyu
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