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how do you forgive yourself?
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 19, 2012 at 9:12 am (This post was last modified: July 19, 2012 at 9:14 am by Jeffonthenet.)
(July 19, 2012 at 8:35 am)Faith No More Wrote:
Jeffonthenet Wrote:People definitely have the right to choose their religious beliefs. However, if you are saying that simply the statement: there is only one way to God, through Jesus Christ, is arrogant, then it seems to me that so is the statement: "there is only one medicine that can cure such and such disease."

If the latter statement (there is only one medicine…) is true, it is definitely not arrogant. And, so it seems to me, it is with the former statement. ("there is only one way to God…")

Unfortunately for you, your comparison here actually underscores my point. The reason we can say that there is only one medicine to cure such a disease is because it has been scientifically tested and verified. There is no belief in the medicine necessary, because we have knowledge, gained from the scientific method, that the cure works. Your religion, however, cannot be verified, so it must be believed in. It's when you give other people advice using your beliefs but peddling them as truth that arrogance comes in.

Faithnomore, I appreciate the time you took to give a reasoned response. Smile However, I still disagree and let me tell you why. You say that one is justified in saying that there is only one medicine to cure a disease because it can be scientifically proven while mine faith cannot. You say also say, "your religion… cannot be verified, so it must not be believed in."

You seem to be saying that things which cannot be verified by the scientific method should not be believed in. However, this statement itself cannot be verified by the scientific method. Neither can things like the existence of the past, basic logic. And it doesn't follow that these things are irrational to believe in because they cannot be verified by the scientific method.

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Quote:So its potentiality of being arrogant is dependent on its truth value. Therefore, it seems to me that you would have to claim that there is not only one way to God in order to show that such a statement is arrogant. However, that presupposes that Christianity is false and so is sort of like arguing in a circle.

Incorrect, the validity of your beliefs has no bearing on arrogance. What matters, however, is what you can prove. You cannot prove that there is a god and he is the Christian god, so when you go around peddling it as truth, that is arrogant.

You cannot prove that my God does not exist, so does it follow that atheists cannot "peddle" (using your word) the belief that there is no God?
"the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate" (1 Cor. 1:19)
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how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - June 10, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - June 10, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:10 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by cratehorus - June 10, 2012 at 8:31 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2012 at 11:18 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 10, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Angrboda - June 11, 2012 at 11:06 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - June 12, 2012 at 12:22 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Polaris - July 12, 2012 at 12:00 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by spelbynder - July 12, 2012 at 12:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by downbeatplumb - July 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 13, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Reforged - July 13, 2012 at 9:30 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Godschild - July 16, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 16, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 16, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cato - July 14, 2012 at 3:53 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Reforged - July 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cato - July 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Polaris - July 13, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Autumnlicious - July 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by MysticKnight - July 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by frankiej - July 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Gambit - July 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 1:38 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by KnockEmOuttt - July 14, 2012 at 4:19 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by toro - July 14, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Whateverist - July 14, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 14, 2012 at 10:52 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 16, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 17, 2012 at 1:02 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 18, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 18, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 19, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 19, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 20, 2012 at 12:56 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 19, 2012 at 8:35 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 19, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by LastPoet - July 19, 2012 at 9:36 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 19, 2012 at 11:14 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 19, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 19, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 20, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Skepsis - July 20, 2012 at 10:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 25, 2012 at 1:59 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 20, 2012 at 10:40 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Nemo - July 19, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 20, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 20, 2012 at 1:16 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jackalope - July 20, 2012 at 1:20 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Nemo - July 20, 2012 at 8:07 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by KichigaiNeko - July 20, 2012 at 8:10 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 20, 2012 at 8:24 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Jeffonthenet - July 21, 2012 at 9:18 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Magic Pudding - July 20, 2012 at 11:42 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cinjin - July 20, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Cato - July 21, 2012 at 11:31 am
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by Faith No More - July 21, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: how do you forgive yourself? - by The Grand Nudger - July 26, 2012 at 6:14 pm

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