RE: I can feel your anger
July 23, 2012 at 3:20 am
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2012 at 3:30 am by Selliedjoup.)
(July 22, 2012 at 5:53 am)Ace Otana Wrote: [quote='Selliedjoup' pid='314042' dateline='1342950593']
That doesn't mean it's not natural as we cannot verify it.
Quote:I'm not stating that 'god' is not natural. Theists do. I don't believe god exists remember.
If god is natural, prove it. If something affects the natural world, we should be able to observe it, it should leave evidence. If god can be verified, then knock yourself out and try and verify it.
Yes and by stating only that which is scientifically proven to be 'natural' reflects your view on natural and science. I don't solely depend on science.
My existence requests that I ask why I exist, and I see no reason to view what we can replicate and measure as a sole means to address this question.
Why are you convinced that this is the only way to assess whether a god exists?
(July 22, 2012 at 6:32 am)Zen Badger Wrote: [quote='Selliedjoup' pid='314025' dateline='1342942549']
This may be a belief, but ironic many atheists now depend on science as a proxy religion.
Quote:Science is not a religion, proxy or otherwise.
Do you actually think that's what I'm saying? It's either a failure to understand, a disengenious tactic (by attempting to make materialism interchangeable with science) or even worse, this is what you believe to be true.
No science is not a religion, materialists application of science is.
Quote:Religion is a tool used by the powerful few to manipulate the ignorant many.Yay science wins so easily.
Science is a tool used to understand the universe.
Quote:And if you con't see the difference then there is no helping you.
I don't require help from people who accept what they say to be true, as they've said it.
(July 22, 2012 at 10:42 am)Epimethean Wrote: It does seem that there is no helping him. The "not much" of his religious views is pretty much as dogmatic as anything he seems to wish to proscribe.
Please help me, how can I 'save' my irrational soul? Tell me what to believe.
Am I dogmatic as I deny that you know the correct method to determine what is and what isn't? This logic is employed by many fundamentalists.
(July 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I think really, to be honest, fuck him.
