(July 23, 2012 at 10:12 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Nope. Just a standard literal interpretation of what was going on.Then at that point it ceases to be a "Bible study."
Quote:It's not any more 'real' than mine was.your map was not to scale nor did it include any topography.
Quote:This one is simply slanted so that you can draw a horizontal line between Galilee and Gerasa. This doesn't make it opposite Galilee because Gerasa isn't based on the shores of the Sea of Galilee, as Luke makes it out to be:It was based on a google maps satelite image that gave a natural perspective.
Quote:Then they arrived at the country of the Gerasenes, which is opposite Galilee. As he stepped out on land, a man of the city who had demons met him.This refers to a Region "The Land of Gerasenes" I does not say "with in the city walls of Gerasenes" which is what the dot on either map repersents. For Gerasenes was the captiol of persia and had boarders that expanded beyond the city walls.
Quote:Nothing about walking x miles to Gerasa.6 miles from the sea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Qais there is a good pic of the ruins on a hill looking down to the sea that gives a great understanding of how the two are related.
Quote:They simply got out of the boat at 'Gerasa' and they found the man. This is all perfectly possible if it was Capernaum because Capernaum is on the shore of the Sea of Galilee.this guy slept in tombs. even in gentile cities the tombs were found outside the city walls in that time. And if the people considered this man to have a 'demon' (whether he did or not) he would have been forced to live out of the city walls.
Quote:When the reference has 3 numbers (x:y:z) I'm pretty sure it means book x, chapter y, paragraph/verse z. Sorry, I should have clarified.Book three of Josepheus is Flavius Josephus Against Apion, not the war of the Jews. that is book two. If you look at how the books are subdivided you have book chapter and phragraph. There arn't any verses in the unmolested translation of the Works of Josepheus.
That is why I ask that yoou provide your version, maybe it was a study based work or a commentary based work. that subdivided the work further than what I was referencing.
Quote:Wow, you're absolutely right. I've let my guard down on this one.. I honestly thought this Gospel was somewhat equivalent to the Gospel of Thomas in that it was written around those times, but clearly Wikipedia shows me this Gospel is an outlier. Thanks, you've reminded me to always do the extra research and never take stuff at face value.

Quote:This doesn't mean there's nothing to be looked at here. Luke still talks about this 'Legion' thing. Maybe he should have named it something else OR.... perhaps that was his intention? To link his 'event' to the massacre fresh in people's minds.Or perhaps there is a demon or a collection of them that goes by that name. Which luke would have been bound to record.
Quote:There's no need to 'smash' things together. Put them all side by side and the parallels are obvious; pigs/Jews drowning, 'Legion' i.e. Romans being the cause...Again unless you smash them together, indivisually these events are unrelated. It is only when a compareson is forced does any of this work together.
Quote:Yes, the Gospel of Barnabas was written after for sure, but Josephus' War came before.perhaps before barnabus, but it is a disputed matter if it came before the works of luke.
Quote:The only thing saying that it must have been before 70 A.D. is that none of the Gospels say the prophecy of the temple was fulfilled. This cuts both ways for us and therefore doesn't become very useful. Your view in a nutshell: Jesus was divine, this prophecy came to be. My view in a nutshell: allegories that are alluding to recent events that happened i.e. the destruction of the temple.Not if luke was written before the war. which if you simply follow what was written in the two books. The book of acts ends with the beginning of Paul's ministry in rome (about 3 years before his death) which puts the completeion of the book of Acts around 64 AD well before the recorded works of Josephus (75AD) We know the Book of Luke was completed well before the book of Acts because we know Luke was a Servant of Theolopus (personal physician) when He wrote the book of Luke. At the time the book of Acts was written He had dedicated his life to the ministry as a deciple of the apstole Paul. Something he could not do if he were still 'owned' by theolopus.
Josephus still stands.
Which puts the completion of both of lukes works before the death of Paul. which was before any of the works of Josephus.