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Uncovering the Lucan Allegory
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RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory
Drich Wrote:This refers to a Region "The Land of Gerasenes" I does not say "with in the city walls of Gerasenes" which is what the dot on either map repersents. For Gerasenes was the captiol of persia and had boarders that expanded beyond the city walls.

Ah yes, I see what you're saying. Unfortunately the country's borders didn't end at the shores of the sea. They ended at the Yarmuk River. So it still doesn't make sense for Luke to say they are in the country of the Gerasenes.




Quote:6 miles from the sea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Qais there is a good pic of the ruins on a hill looking down to the sea that gives a great understanding of how the two are related.

I saw the picture at the bottom. Umm Qais is situated on the Yarmuk River though where the country ends.

Quote:this guy slept in tombs. even in gentile cities the tombs were found outside the city walls in that time. And if the people considered this man to have a 'demon' (whether he did or not) he would have been forced to live out of the city walls.

Fair enough. I don't have a problem with the man himself.

Quote:Book three of Josepheus is Flavius Josephus Against Apion, not the war of the Jews. that is book two. If you look at how the books are subdivided you have book chapter and phragraph. There arn't any verses in the unmolested translation of the Works of Josepheus.

That is why I ask that yoou provide your version, maybe it was a study based work or a commentary based work. that subdivided the work further than what I was referencing.

Hmm.. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and believe you genuinely misunderstood the reference again. Book 3 of the Wars of the Jews I meant, not Josephus' third work he ever wrote...

Here's an awesome place to search up all of the ancient writings: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text...99.01.0148
I've linked you to Josephus' work but not directly to the page, so that you can get some practice with the referencing style Wink

Quote:Or perhaps there is a demon or a collection of them that goes by that name. Which luke would have been bound to record.

I think it takes more faith to believe 'Legion' is genuinely the name of the demon(s) rather than Luke making a connection between Jews killed by Roman legion(s).

Quote:Not if luke was written before the war. which if you simply follow what was written in the two books. The book of acts ends with the beginning of Paul's ministry in rome (about 3 years before his death) which puts the completeion of the book of Acts around 64 AD well before the recorded works of Josephus (75AD) We know the Book of Luke was completed well before the book of Acts because we know Luke was a Servant of Theolopus (personal physician) when He wrote the book of Luke. At the time the book of Acts was written He had dedicated his life to the ministry as a deciple of the apstole Paul. Something he could not do if he were still 'owned' by theolopus.

Which puts the completion of both of lukes works before the death of Paul. which was before any of the works of Josephus.

If Luke's account is actually genuine, then care to explain its meaning? Jesus travels all this way to step out of the boat, cast out demons, destroy a huge amount of someone's livestock (a crime in those days? I don't know, but not very nice anyways), caused great fear in the country and got asked to leave. Why?
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 23, 2012 at 1:12 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by cratehorus - July 23, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Drich - July 23, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 23, 2012 at 1:39 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Zen Badger - July 23, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Drich - July 23, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 23, 2012 at 10:35 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Minimalist - July 23, 2012 at 1:32 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Drich - July 23, 2012 at 7:12 pm
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 23, 2012 at 10:12 pm
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Drich - July 24, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 24, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Drich - July 24, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 25, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Drich - July 25, 2012 at 11:36 pm
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 26, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Drich - July 26, 2012 at 8:27 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 26, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 27, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Drich - July 28, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 28, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by Drich - July 28, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by King_Charles - July 30, 2012 at 3:09 am
RE: Uncovering the Lucan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 30, 2012 at 6:23 am

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