RE: I can feel your anger
July 24, 2012 at 11:45 pm
(This post was last modified: July 25, 2012 at 12:34 am by Selliedjoup.)
(July 24, 2012 at 10:54 pm)Gambit Wrote: I was looking for the movie Groundhog Day, and a Google search lead me here. So, um, can someone tell me how to download the movie? Thanks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiE5BgBADCU
(July 24, 2012 at 10:58 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Selliedjoup.
Quick question, if supernatural is beyond anything natural. Cannot be studied or experienced through natural means... what makes you think it should even apply to us even if it existed? We're natural creatures. When we die we become dead natural creatures right down to our decomposing bodies keeping within the natural laws as they did in life.
If you were to claim that the dead become supernatural "spirits" or go to heaven or some such nonsense then you would be assuming the existence of a supernatural creature or plane you cannot possibly know exists because as you clearly state you have no means to discern such a thing.
So to outline and clarify the question; Why should something beyond nature, apply to nature? On what are you basing this?
Firstly, I'm assuming that by natural you mean that which we can measure, and supernatural is that which we can't? I think if it exists, it's natural.
If a god existed, it could explain why existence is. For proponents of Occam's razor, the occurence of a series of highly unlikely events as being random is a step (or several) too far.
As we are created within existence, and are part of it, it would explain a cause for it. I'm not proposing any more than that.
I don't claim to know or dismiss the supernatural, I just claim it's a possibility as I don't place huge emphasis on humanity's abilitiy to determine this question. You're welcome to assume it doesn't exist if it makes you feel better for whatever reason.
To answer your question, to me the whole is other/greater/different than the sum of his parts, so considering that a creator must be 'in' nature is bizarre position to hold.