(July 24, 2012 at 10:17 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Ah yes, I see what you're saying. Unfortunately the country's borders didn't end at the shores of the sea. They ended at the Yarmuk River. So it still doesn't make sense for Luke to say they are in the country of the Gerasenes.How can you quote wiki to build an arguement against, what the same artical says later on?
Quote:6 miles from the sea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Qais there is a good pic of the ruins on a hill looking down to the sea that gives a great understanding of how the two are related.
I saw the picture at the bottom. Umm Qais is situated on the Yarmuk River though where the country ends.
READ The WHOLE Artical. The Territory or 'Country of Gerasenes' is not in anyway in any type of dispute here! (Even though their is contraversy over the actual site) But the fact that Gerasenes extended to the sea of Galilee is solid fact. For the very next paragraph (Just Above The Picture I want You To Note) in the very same wiki artical that you have been quoting speaks directly to the description of the Said 'country of Gardens.' Which Extends to the Shores of the sea of Galilee.
Quote:Hmm.. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and believe you genuinely misunderstood the reference again. Book 3 of the Wars of the Jews I meant, not Josephus' third work he ever wrote...
Quote:Here's an awesome place to search up all of the ancient writings: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text...99.01.0148Got it! Now that that is over what does the description of Gerasenes have to do with anything?
I've linked you to Josephus' work but not directly to the page, so that you can get some practice with the referencing style
Quote:I think it takes more faith to believe 'Legion' is genuinely the name of the demon(s) rather than Luke making a connection between Jews killed by Roman legion(s).How so? All you have are quotes from Josephus describing the land and the fruit bearing trees. The rest of your 'evidence' (The 'works of Barnabus, and your wiki reference) do not support any of your assertions.
Quote:If Luke's account is actually genuine, then care to explain its meaning? Jesus travels all this way to step out of the boat, cast out demons, destroy a huge amount of someone's livestock (a crime in those days? I don't know, but not very nice anyways),Not considered to be by the Jews, as Pigs were deemed 'unclean.'
Quote:caused great fear in the country and got asked to leave. Why?God only knows for sure. Perhaps it is as the end of the chapter indicates. He went there to Help One man from being tormented by a 'leigon' of Demons. Perhaps this man was known beyond the 'Country of Gerasenes' as being stricken with The most powerful collection of Demons ever known. We are told many tried but all failed to cast out these Demons, so besides helping this one man who could not be helped by anyone else. Christ also cemented His power and Authority in the minds of everyone who knew of this man and the efforts to free him from possession.
After all if this Legion was anything like a Roman legion there were possiably 5000 Demons, that Christ dispatched with a single word.