RE: I can feel your anger
July 31, 2012 at 5:17 pm
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2012 at 5:18 pm by Selliedjoup.)
(July 31, 2012 at 5:30 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(July 31, 2012 at 3:18 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: Your line of questioning just re-iterates your materialist focus, you ask for observations of what I have proposed that , may be, unobservable.
We like evidence with our facts.
You obviously do not.
You don't even have a good idea of what these "unobservable" things might be. Everything you say is baseless speculation.
The supernatural realm is one of fantasy and you waste time defending it.
The assumption that every thing can be obsevered is baseless speculation, all evidence gathered by humanity allows us to understand (on our terms) what happened.
To assume anything beyond what evidence tells us is based on a philosphical viewpoint. And even then why assume what the evidence tells us, is how it is?
Why would I have a good idea of what these 'unobservable" things are? I hope you see the contradiction in this stataement.
Your focus on the natural and what it proves is one of assumptions.
(July 31, 2012 at 12:04 pm)whateverist Wrote:(July 31, 2012 at 3:18 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: People require a rationale to any conclusion they've reached. I find it very unlikely with the strong support of materialism/naturalism amongst atheists that determines the 'no active belief' position.
Of course I don't know it to be true, I just find it contradictory based on my perception of what I hold to be true.
Seems a little solipsistic to me. You're going to stick with your theory of what's true for me in spite of my direct report to the contrary. Your call.
Yes true, it is a little like solipsism. I do believe that our physical limits shapes our reality. I'm sticking with my theory of how I view you, I have no choice in the matter. I understand your perspective, how you view yourself and respect this, I just don't agree. Much like anyone who has a different foundation, could either of us view a creationist how they viewed themselves?